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4seventy
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Fast Loading SxS Doubles
      #17480 - 31/07/04 08:21 AM

Discussion on another thread about O/U doubles suggests that the O/U style is slower and harder to load the chambers than the side by side rifles.
I'm keen to determine if this is true or and would like to know what SxS users consider is a fast reload time for their rifles.

To try and keep the timing method consistant, start your stopwatch exactly as you fire your SECOND barrel, break the gun, remove the fired cases or snap caps, reload the chambers, close and shoulder the gun, fire the third shot when the sights are aligned and stop the clock as you do.
This way the load time is measured from firing your second shot to the firing of your third shot after reloading.
The easiest way to do this is to use snapcaps for the first two shots and dummy rounds for the reload.(empty case with bullet seated no primer or powder)
You do not actually need to snap the lock for your third shot but call for the person to stop the clock as soon as the rifle is back at your shoulder and you are ready to take the shot.
This avoids snapping the lock on the unprimed dummy cartridge/s.

It doesn't matter what style you use to do the reload or whether your rifle has ejectors or extractors.

So lets see how fast a "fast reload" really is.
To keep things real, maybe we should quote "fastest" and also "average" times. (say over 4 or 5 attempts)



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Re: Fast Loading SxS Doubles [Re: 4seventy]
      #17493 - 01/08/04 12:38 AM

Alan

To make this legit the 3rd and 4th shots should be loaded and taken. A sxs should have no problem in under 5 seconds. A good shooter 3-4.



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Re: Fast Loading SxS Doubles [Re: mickey]
      #17496 - 01/08/04 07:18 AM

In reply to:

To make this legit the 3rd and 4th shots should be loaded and taken. A sxs should have no problem in under 5 seconds. A good shooter 3-4.


Mick,
If we were talking about the time it takes to do 4 shots you would be right but in this case I'm only interested in the actual reload time.
The reload happens between firing the second and third shots.
Time taken to get all four shots away will include variables like how fast/slow the shooter is regarding getting on target and actually firing each shot etc.
These variables can alter the result.
The issue with O/U that always seems to crop up is the wide gape causing slower reloading than SxS.

Are you saying that a good shooter should be able to fire 4 well aimed shots with a SxS in 3-4 seconds or just complete the reload in that time?

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Re: Fast Loading SxS Doubles [Re: 4seventy]
      #17504 - 01/08/04 12:31 PM

Alan

I am saying that a good shooter should be able to reload and be ready to fire in 3-4 seconds. He should go from recovering from recoil, to breaking the rifle, reloading both barrels, closing the action and mounting for a shot in that time. Did I explain it right?

At, say 5 yards, one aimed round could probably be off also.

This assumes a wide open level area and no fumbling.

The O/U has to be broken open farther (wider) and there is a much greater chance of the ejectors, or the extractors if you rotate, allowing the bottom case to hit the standing breech and bounce back into the chamber.

But you know all this as you have undoubtedly already done it on your new wundershooter.

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Re: Fast Loading SxS Doubles [Re: mickey]
      #17512 - 01/08/04 06:38 PM

In reply to:

The O/U has to be broken open farther (wider) and there is a much greater chance of the ejectors, or the extractors if you rotate, allowing the bottom case to hit the standing breech and bounce back into the chamber



Mick, if a cartridge hits the standing breach when you break an ejector gun, regardless of whether it is O/U or SxS, the ejector timing is out.


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