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Photo taken yesterday: Culling hunt for roe and boar, thawing snow and dizzling rain. My Mannlicher-Schoenauer M1910 vs. a small kid roebuck.

Rifle: Mannlicher Schoenauer M1910 in of course 9.5x57 aka .375 Rimless Nitro Express, 20" barrel, prewar Zeiss Zielvier scope in claw mounts, Parker-Hale sportarget peep sight. Load: case formed from W-W 30-06, 270 gr Hornady rn (still have some in stock), 55gr VV N140 for 2310fps. Range about 70m.
During the last month this outfit has taken 2 boar and 5 roe deer.

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Don't suppose you have a front sight for a Model 1910 tht's "surplus to requirements" in your junkbox???

Andrew

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Reviving this thread as it pertains to the 20" takedown 9.5MS
Was bidding on a similar rifle but lost out as funds are a bit tight right now.
Think it was a good deal though still.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/884766215

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Here is an example of a reopened thread, twice. Originally 2010, reopened in 2016 and again 2020.

I may have seen it before, probably planned to comment but never did. A lovely post by Kuduae.

Enjoyed it, the pictures and the stories and comments.

And particularly the rifle.

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John aka NitroX

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Govt get out of our lives NOW!
"I love the smell of cordite in the morning."
"A Sharp spear needs no polish"

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Liked the rifle, liked the roe and liked the way you hunt very much! For the same kind of tasks I use a Sako battue 9,3x62 and as you may see it is accurate enough

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What happened to our member Paatti ? Last on here om 2013? Surprised by that. I enjoyed his posts. Will try sending an email.

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John aka NitroX

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Govt get out of our lives NOW!
"I love the smell of cordite in the morning."
"A Sharp spear needs no polish"

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It looks a handy little rifle.

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You are right, that's why I use this rifle more than any other for our culling hunts. I took the photo not to brag about the kill, but as part of an answer to a question from another party: Did Mannlicher-Schoenauers with carbine-length barrels but half-stocked ever exist as a factory option? Obviously, yes!
To explain why I used this rifle on such a tiny roe, I have to tell about our kind of culling hunt. As a forester I work and live in slightly hilly country, stocked predominantly with hardwood forests of mixed age. We don't use the classic "driven boar hunt" any more, in which a small area of forest is surrounded by a closely spaced line of guns, a line of beaters setting the game to flight through the gunline. This was the European domain of the double rifle, but usually leads to a lot of wounded or miserably shot game. Instead, we place the hunters in strategic stands distributed over a larger forest area, if possible out of the "danger zone" of each other. Then a few beaters and a some dogs bred and trained for the job disturb the whole area to get all kinds of game moving, hoping it will try to pass one or more of the guns. As beaters and dogs are few and far apart, game will often be moving relatively slow or even pausing in sight of a hunter, allowing for more accurate shooting. Now, this type of hunting asks different tasks from the rifle used, as game may vary vastly in size, range and movement. First, the rifle has to be powerful enough for the heaviest task it may be presented, IE a non-trophy red deer at close to 200m, or a rear end raking shot at a big boar already wounded by another hunter. The next moment it has to be accurate enough to hit a roe deer at over 100m, presenting only the 3" wide neck, or the head of a fox at the same range. Then it has to be lively enough to shoot at a running boar passing at 30 paces, or, when "cleaning up" afterwards, stop an enraged boar in thick brush at 5 paces. You never know which task comes next, and there is no time to change more specialized rifles. This is not mere theory, but all these jobs were done for me by this M-Sch 1910.

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A lot like Scandinavian driven game hunting One dog and one hunter moving animals hopefully towards prepositioned hunters at stands.

Sounds like a good method. I have always worried if ever doing fast driven hunting, to identify and shoot game well running at fast speed. Much better of they are walking, or stopped.

Great thread from 2010.

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Govt get out of our lives NOW!
"I love the smell of cordite in the morning."
"A Sharp spear needs no polish"

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You are right, that's why I use this rifle more than any other for our culling hunts. I took the photo not to brag about the kill, but as part of an answer to a question from another party: Did Mannlicher-Schoenauers with carbine-length barrels but half-stocked ever exist as a factory option? Obviously, yes!
To explain why I used this rifle on such a tiny roe, I have to tell about our kind of culling hunt. As a forester I work and live in slightly hilly country, stocked predominantly with hardwood forests of mixed age. We don't use the classic "driven boar hunt" any more, in which a small area of forest is surrounded by a closely spaced line of guns, a line of beaters setting the game to flight through the gunline. This was the European domain of the double rifle, but usually leads to a lot of wounded or miserably shot game. Instead, we place the hunters in strategic stands distributed over a larger forest area, if possible out of the "danger zone" of each other. Then a few beaters and a some dogs bred and trained for the job disturb the whole area to get all kinds of game moving, hoping it will try to pass one or more of the guns. As beaters and dogs are few and far apart, game will often be moving relatively slow or even pausing in sight of a hunter, allowing for more accurate shooting. Now, this type of hunting asks different tasks from the rifle used, as game may vary vastly in size, range and movement. First, the rifle has to be powerful enough for the heaviest task it may be presented, IE a non-trophy red deer at close to 200m, or a rear end raking shot at a big boar already wounded by another hunter. The next moment it has to be accurate enough to hit a roe deer at over 100m, presenting only the 3" wide neck, or the head of a fox at the same range. Then it has to be lively enough to shoot at a running boar passing at 30 paces, or, when "cleaning up" afterwards, stop an enraged boar in thick brush at 5 paces. You never know which task comes next, and there is no time to change more specialized rifles. This is not mere theory, but all these jobs were done for me by this M-Sch 1910.

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A lot like Scandinavian driven game hunting One dog and one hunter moving animals hopefully towards prepositioned hunters at stands.

Sounds like a good method. I have always worried if ever doing fast driven hunting, to identify and shoot game well running at fast speed. Much better of they are walking, or stopped.

Great thread from 2010.

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I've always wondered about the effect on the meat of running vs standing game. It might be just one of those stories, but I grew up hearing that an animal that was agitated and exerting itself when it expired produced tougher meat than if it was relaxed. Doesn't really matter if it's being ground into sausages, but for steaks....

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Reviving this thread as it pertains to the 20" takedown 9.5MS
Was bidding on a similar rifle but lost out as funds are a bit tight right now.
Think it was a good deal though still.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/884766215

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Here is an example of a reopened thread, twice. Originally 2010, reopened in 2016 and again 2020.

I may have seen it before, probably planned to comment but never did. A lovely post by Kuduae.

Enjoyed it, the pictures and the stories and comments.

And particularly the rifle.

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I'm with you on that. Even with the various searches in which I often lose myself, I can't possibly review every thread that was posted in the many years before I discovered this (my favourite) forum. These little flashbacks often bring up interesting info I might otherwise have missed, such as the little detour into bolt-mounted peeps that was so informative.

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