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marlin45
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416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull
      #172504 - 02/12/10 12:59 PM

Hello there,
I have just received my new Ruger RSM in 416 rigby and was impressed by most things except the recoil pad that may have come off a light truck tyre. A skinny one at that.

Liking roughly the way my right shoulder comes out of my body and not wanting to suddenly and greivously change this i had a chat to my gunsmith about installing a new pad. We decided on a 1 inch thick limbsaver. Then came the question about whether to just bolt it on or remove wood from stock to keep the same overall length. The RSM has a nominal 13.5 inch LOP, and with the thicker recoil pad it will come to a fraction over 14 inches.

Looking at the Westly Richards, Rigby's, Holland and Hollands etc on auction sites in heavy calibers, most would seem to be 14 inches or greater. With people being a fraction shorter on average 70-90 years ago it would seem that today the LOP has become shorter in a general sense.

My question is has any one else noticed a "shortness" in their heavy rifles and did you change the LOP longer and finally did this make any real differences to how the rifle performed.

To me, the RSM just felt short so i have elected to just bolt it on and try it like that. I can shorten the stock if required later. I am of average build and 6 ft tall.

Thanking you for your time.

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tophet1
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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: marlin45]
      #172509 - 02/12/10 03:12 PM

My CZ .416 Rigby has a 13.5" LOP which is fine for me and is in fact the LOP on all my rifles. I'm 5"10" but thick ( ok, overweight) through the shoulder. Many variables come into determining LOP.

I will only ever use my rifle in warm climes so I can eliminate thickness of clothing such as a warm jacket affecting LOP. Really it comes down to what feels comfortable to you. Close your eyes, mount the rifle and assume an aiming position. Then open your eyes and if it looks right and feels right you are mostly there.

If you are 6' and have long arms 14" will be fine. You may find you just like to be closer to the action ( no pun intended ) then 14" will be too long. If you are going hunting with a thick warm jacket on, you will have to test LOP with that clothing on.

At a guess, 14" and an average build you will be fine.

Edited by tophet1 (02/12/10 08:20 PM)

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450_Ackley
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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: tophet1]
      #172515 - 02/12/10 05:03 PM

Marlin45,
I'm around 6'2" on a good day, and shoot rifles that have a LOP of 14.25". I find they all fit me pretty well.
Consider though if you mount a scope, you will certainly creep the stock at some stage if it is too short and probably wear the scope in your forehead.

Get a Decelerator and leave the Limbsavers in the gunshop.

Regards,
David.

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Paul
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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #172518 - 02/12/10 05:37 PM

Without expert evaluation, I'd leave it at 14 inches and see how it goes, and shorten it later if you need to.

A longer pull sometimes reduces felt recoil. With heavy double rifles I think a shorter pull makes the rifle feel lighter when mounted because there's less leverage against your arms.

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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: Paul]
      #172522 - 02/12/10 09:43 PM

My 9.3x62 and 404j have been made with 14" LOP.I find most factory guns are about 13.75".

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Homer
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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: FATBOY404]
      #172524 - 02/12/10 10:16 PM

G'Day Fella's

Marlin 45, I also have a Ruger RSM, only in .375 H&H (with a stunning stick of Circasion Walnut).
I have on occasions thought about fitting a thicker and softer recoil pad but with the Leupold scope (1.75 - 6 x 32mm, in Warne QD rings), as far back as it can go, adding any thing to the LOP will bugger up the present (really good), sighting situation! FYI, I'm 5 foot 11" and 76 KG's/12 stone in weight.

Hope this helps,

Doh!
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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: Homer]
      #172530 - 02/12/10 11:05 PM

This has always interested me. Shotguns I have a 14 7/8" and that is spot on. I am 5´11" but with long arms. Double rifle same length of pull, the .375 has a QD scope but again, fine. The US rifles I have bought, a Ruger and a Marlin are about 13 1/2 ?? weird to me, my elbow sticks out the side and it doesn´t feel good, same with my Remington 870 pump, stock is completely too short ?? maybe you guys in the States wear thick clothing, that would change it a bit, regards, Mike p.s. the Mannlicher and the Hagn are 14 1/2 from memory when done.

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Rockdoc
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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #172531 - 02/12/10 11:24 PM

I find about 14 1/2" suits me fine, although on some lighter rifles I don't mind if shorter, usually short action lengths.

On a magnum length action, like the RSM, i like a longer LOP. My No1 450/400 is a bit short for me and I intend to put a thick Limbsaver on it.

Good luck and enjoy shooting it. Chris

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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: Rockdoc]
      #172548 - 03/12/10 05:19 AM

A lot of length of stock discussion is used in pissing matches & has no foundation in reality- in my opinion.

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marlin45
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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: DarylS]
      #172553 - 03/12/10 07:19 AM

Thanks to all for your comments.

Just reading as much as i can about rifle fit...... it seems that the most rifle/stock makers say is that "... make sure it does fit". It seems shotgun fit however is a well recognized and important part of choosing/making a shotgun purchase.

I will see how it comes back from the shop.

Thanks again.

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Rockdoc
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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: marlin45]
      #172563 - 03/12/10 01:01 PM

It comes down to individual preference and the individual firearm I think. People hold a rifle in different ways, no matter their height. I find a difference with short versus long and magnum actions though. My preference is longer than most factory options.

I would love to have a custom fitting, eg H&H, to really sort the truth out!

Best wishes, Chris

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Pancho
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Re: 416 rigby ( Ruger RSM) and length of pull [Re: Rockdoc]
      #173775 - 25/12/10 02:09 AM

Mine was too short. We added a 1" Pachmyer and another 1/4" spacer. Shoots good now.

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