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Perry
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Relocated Dingo's causing problems
      #171356 - 12/11/10 09:02 AM

G/Day folks, I have not hunted wild dogs often but recently have found an opportunity to help with a problem caused by Do Gooder authorities who have relocated a number of pure breed Dingo's from Frazer Island to the mainland not far from where I live.

These dogs are the purest strain left in Australia but unfortunately have become habituated to humans and overpopulated on Frazer Island. These Dingo's are very bold, approach humans with no fear and in recent years have been implicated in the predatory deaths of several people.

Can anyone tell me why the Do Gooder's would relocate such animals into a semi rural environment. There's at least one Beef cattle property. These Dingo's are bumping into and having "pissing contests" with resident cross breed wild dogs. They fight, Bawl and howl around resident's houses all night, the latest this past Tuesday. They approach houses, jump onto outdoor tables and look in. One woman went inside and when she came out a Dog was on her table drinking from her coffee cup!

Problem right now is we have had record breaking rain this last 6 months and all the properties are awash. It's extremely difficult even walking around them in the day let alone driving in the paddocks to call / howl them in or to spot light them at night when they are most active. Undergrowth has grown out of control which makes visibility poor.

Last couple of weekends I've been out to one property for a look around with the Gent I have befriended who is happily showing me the lay of the land. We've had some half hearted attempt's with a fox whistle but due to swirling wind and poor visibility from undergrowth had no luck. Though both times there where tracks or other evidence the dogs did respond or where recently near by.

He got a phone call last Wednesday to come out sort em out as they kept some residents awake all Tuesday night. I had family to look after so could not go. The Dogs and Dingo's had moved on. Next few weeks we will be stepping up the hunting and hopefully cull these dogs.

So folks any suggestions on how to hunt these Dingo's down.

regards Jacko

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9.3x57
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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: Perry]
      #171375 - 13/11/10 12:02 AM

Do Badders are always obsessed with canids and the attempt to wreck other people's lives. Ditto the wolf worshipping that occurs here.

Your situation mirrors ours in terms of hunting conditions. Standard fare here. Now, are you implying that you Ozzies are too used to easy hunting conditions!? { }

Here...let's say coyotes...are very hard to hunt due to the brush and heavily timbered and rough/mountainous terrain {making bad/swirling wind conditions} and horrible weather. It is a struggle. Canids are maybe the toughest animals on earth to kill as individials...and that is one reason the Greenies love them.

Lots of time will be spent in the pursuit with little to show for it, but when you kill one you gain a sense of accomplishment similar to shooting a great trophy buck, or better, since you are potentially saving a great trophy buck, and 11 other ungulates for the year! {average ungulate numbers each year killed by each coyote; 12, wolves kill 20+ ungulates per wolf} I suspect dingos have to eat something, and that something is stuff people want to save; cattle/calves, other desireable species.

Try various calls; rabbit squealers, howlers, electric calls, etc. Change your calls. Make sure you have the wind in your favor, and never call with the wind blowing your scent into the area from which you expect the dog to come.

Trap and snare. Traps are a pain to maintain in wet and slushy weather. Snares are easier to carry and if you have a good bait set {carcass, etc, whatever attracts dingos [?]} you can keep them running all year long. You will smile big when you walk up on your first dog with a noose around its neck.

If they really come in to homes, leave a plate full of Xylitol sweetened cookies out for them. Nice little gift of a bowl of milk and cookies = dead dogs. There you go!

Let's face it. Predators are the "in" crowd in the "Western" world these days. Hell, when all we do is "register" pedophile sex offenders and don't give them the bullet in the head they deserve, can you really expect modern society to have any desire to put the bite on stock-killing canines? Hell, no, they want to spread them around!

Do your best. It'll be time consuming, inefficient, difficult, and if some local dingo worshippers get wind of your work they probably try to crucify you in print {maybe it's not that bad yet in Oz?} and in the final analysis if they get entrenched you won't be able to make much of a dent in them {canids are prolific}. But don't give up. Preserve the predator killing philosophy and at least pass THAT down to the next generation!

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Perry
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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: 9.3x57]
      #171423 - 13/11/10 04:33 PM

Thanks for sharing your idea's 9.3 x 57. I like your label - I have an Aussie version at the Gunsmith now - a 9.1 x 56.5 - AKA 303.35

Interesting your thoughts on Coyote's and Wolves. I've been watching doco's and reading much about them and the differing attitudes in America around this topic. Personally I'm all for keeping Dingo's in the wild and keeping their species as pure as possible, just how do you do it and avoid the ever present clash with people???? I think it madness to relocate these dogs here - High Hypocrisy on my part perhaps known as NIMBYism - Not In My Back Yard

They needed to be controlled / culled and not just shift the problem elsewhere. Its a sad fact that people are the biggest problem ultimately and our idea of a natural balance is to eliminate that which does not fit our ideal. Sometimes I wonder if a few humans need to be culled / controlled or neutered.

There is a bait station now set up with ready access good cover and about 30 metre's clear view, trick is the wind. The Dingo's are hitting it - as usual when no ones about. The residents have said the Dingo's are not disturbed by torch light or approaching vehicle lights. We will be taking advantage of this on the track to the bait station with a 12 gauge surprise and spotlighting using rifle mounted tactical torches.

Recently those tube calls have hit our shores, I have resisted them as so much yank marketing clap trap but your point about mixing calls is a good one and I may well put aside my prejudice. I use a fox whistle made from telescoping together 2 shotgun shell bases with the primers punched out but most folks use the old reliable button whistle or a bent over piece of tin with a hole punched through it. I was talking to my mate last night about all this and we will be giving Howling them up a go shortly.

First 2 attempts were with our bows and likely through the daylight hours we will continue with them. At night we'll use my 12 gauge and our scoped rifles. It will be a huge thrill if we succeed with the bows. Biggest trouble for me is family and work commitments greatly restricting my time.

We'll be able able to expand our options if the rain backs off and then property's get a chance to dry out some.

No doubt at all if the Green crowd get wind of this it will be on. Traps and snares are out from a legal point of view, BIG NO NO'S in Queensland. Poison is a little too indiscriminate for me, but is ideal in the situation you pointed out where it's a controlled situation. No use giving the do gooder bastards ammunition to fire their lies. Should have thought of this before posting on the net - Shoot, Shovel, Shut up.

regards Jacko

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: Perry]
      #172385 - 30/11/10 06:32 PM

I like the idea of relocating them to other areas ,however they would have to be micro chiped with one of the following:- .223,.243,.270,.308,.303 ect,ect.

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Empire375
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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #172389 - 30/11/10 07:14 PM

I like the shoot, shovel and shut up !
It made me laugh. I remember dad telling me not to shoot swans when I was about 7.
I could not help myself and as a result perhaps I used the "shoot, shovel and shut up" procedure before most anybody else did !


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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #172407 - 01/12/10 12:38 AM

Quote:

I like the idea of relocating them to other areas ,however they would have to be micro chiped with one of the following:- .223,.243,.270,.308,.303 ect,ect.




Ahhhhh, Alan, a kindred spirit if there ever was one.

I have a glass of Bulleit Frontier Bourbon awaiting your arrival.



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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #172421 - 01/12/10 04:30 AM

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I like the idea of relocating them to other areas.




Yeah - me too - I'd like to re-locate some of our now-infamous wolves to Washington DC and Hollywood.

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Rolf
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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: DarylS]
      #174783 - 03/02/11 09:48 PM

Gentlemen,

an old hunters tale in Germany is the following (please excuse my translation mistakes):

A hunter and estate owner notices in his woods the results of some dogs poaching, killing game and threatening all animals so these become very shy and hide all the time.

The hunter is able to trace the poaching to two big german sheperd dogs, who are kept as house pets in the next village. He notices that the dogs are released frequently for entertaining themselves in the woods.

Hunter awaits the dogs in the woods, but to no avail. The dogs know how to avoid contact.
So no end of poaching is in sight.

Then hunter borrows a female dog "in heat", takes a walk with the dog straight to the house of the sheperd dogs, then walks further in a "backcountry" corner of the wood and stays there.
And waits.

After the evening release of the two sheperd dogs, these are not interested in poaching, but a more romantic pasttime, and follow the spoor of the lady dog.

The rest is history...


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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: Rolf]
      #174854 - 05/02/11 04:18 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Rolf, there is an old saying that goes; "There is more than one way to skin a cat"!

As humans, we are lucky to be able to think and to think in a lateral way, to solve problems. Unfortunately, to many humans don't utilise this ability or worse, deliberately make even more problems!

There is no hope for us!!!

Doh!
Homer

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450_Ackley
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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: Homer]
      #174897 - 05/02/11 03:18 PM

Don't know how many days my father and I spent sitting on a dam bank, middle of summer, not being able to move a muscle, just waiting for a dingo to come and have a drink. works well too, but I very quickly learnt that a huge amount of patience was needed, don't know how the old boy used to do it, hours on end, but usually always ended up with a dog. Closest one I ever shot was about 5 yards away, can't remember who was the more surprised. Amazing what a 50 grain lead weight behind the right ear does though.
We also used to set traps during the winter as well, I'm guessing it's probably not that PC anymore, still have some of them though.
Coming from a small country town, we had a pharmacist that used to make up a putrid concoction that he called "Dingo Decoy" Not sure what was ever in it, but crap, did it stink!
It was used to imitate a bitch on heat, a few drops at the base of the tree where the trap was set up, and 90% you had a dog caught the next morning, sometime you only had a foot caught though, amazing they will chew their own foot off to get out of a trap.
As you might have gathered, we spent a bit of time eradicating Dingo's, we had a cattle property, and the loss of calves was always enough to get you sitting on that dam bank.

DC


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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #174914 - 05/02/11 07:00 PM

Dingo trappers oldest concoction incorporates urine from a bitch in heat.

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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: kamilaroi]
      #175045 - 07/02/11 07:21 PM

450.
My father used urine and crap from a bitch in a golden syrup tin with cloudy ammonia.
Put the lid on and let it brew.
Seems to work.
His area has only had two dogs and he trapped both of them which he is most proud of.

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Re: Relocated Dingo's causing problems [Re: Perry]
      #175179 - 09/02/11 09:54 PM

Perry

Do you know how many they released in the area?

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