Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact
NitroExpress.com: LT Cap projectiles

View recent messages : 24 hours | 48 hours | 7 days | 14 days | 30 days | 60 days | More Smilies


*** Enjoy NitroExpress.com? Participate and join in. ***

Double Rifles, Single Shots & Combinations >> Paradox and Bore Guns

Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | (show all)
gatsby
.375 member


Reged: 05/09/05
Posts: 862
Loc: inland valley CA USA
Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #170171 - 24/10/10 08:14 PM

Quote:





Just my opinion but I think anyone buying a double whether it be a paradox, a Faunetta or whatever with iron sights and taking shots much over 100 yds at stuff with four legs is going to be, a) disappointed and, b)not very sporting.

Just my opinion chaps and worth what you paid for it
best
Mike




Mike,
If the Fauneta's are realized with the capped ammo maybe you will change your mind. I may be an a--hole but I ve shot at a # things with four legs at ranges over 100yds with my Casull and other handguns. I don't believe that 150 to 200yds is that great a distance with a shoulder mounted weapon like the Fauneta or SME. JMO

--------------------
"Recoil is insignificant when there is a tiger on the head of your elephant" The Maharaja of Cooch Behar



Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Mike_Bailey
.400 member


Reged: 26/02/07
Posts: 2289
Loc: GB
Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: gatsby]
      #170177 - 24/10/10 09:17 PM

Gatsby I am certain you are not an %%%%hole. However your Casull etc are presumably fully rifled, high velocity weapons whose ballistic performances/characteristics are a whole lot different to a shotgun slug. I would love to see myself proved utterly wrong but I wonŽt be doing it myself as I canŽt shoot iron sights anymore past much over 75 yards, aperture (ghost ring)a bit further maybe, best,
Mike (I mean all previous comments in the best way, no slight intended to anyone of course)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Anonymous
Unregistered




Re: LT Cap projectiles [Re: gatsby]
      #170193 - 25/10/10 02:12 AM

Quote:

Quote:





Just my opinion but I think anyone buying a double whether it be a paradox, a Faunetta or whatever with iron sights and taking shots much over 100 yds at stuff with four legs is going to be, a) disappointed and, b)not very sporting.

Just my opinion chaps and worth what you paid for it
best
Mike




Mike,
If the Fauneta's are realized with the capped ammo maybe you will change your mind. I may be an a--hole but I ve shot at a # things with four legs at ranges over 100yds with my Casull and other handguns. I don't believe that 150 to 200yds is that great a distance with a shoulder mounted weapon like the Fauneta or SME. JMO





I agree my friend. It is somewhat of a head scratch-er how many can say the gun cant do that or this and have never shot Faunetas let alone owned a Fauneta. I was certainly surprised at what the guns can do, and my good friend Ross who writes for the DGJ is putting together a spread on the gun including his own tests, my results and the makers technical information very soon. I can routinely put groups at 100yds within 4" and that's with Ambhurst ammo firing both barrels. I have shot 5 Faunetas and owned all of them with wonderful results. The LT cap is even more accurate of a round I hear but I haven't shot those, but there coming in the next couple years..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
CommandCar
.333 member


Reged: 18/09/10
Posts: 292
Loc: East Coast, USA
Shooting the Fauneta [Re: ]
      #170199 - 25/10/10 02:50 AM

General,

I have no doubt of the accuracy potential at conventional ranges. I just can't figure out why these 105 year old brass and lead zeplins are not on the market today, in some form or another and being used in modern scoped slug guns.

Having shot your 5 Fauneta's with the Armbrust load, have you tried any shots at 150, 200 or even 300 yards? You must have been tempted with all those sight leaves on the rib... If so, what were the results?

Also, it would be great if the forthcoming Fauneta flier contained some actual targets that support these original claims. If they work, Westley Richards should offer them in .615 so they can be used in conventional slug guns...

Thanks


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
DarylS
.700 member


Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 27005
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
Re: WR LT-Capped [Re: gatsby]
      #170200 - 25/10/10 02:56 AM

I agree with Gatsby on the ballistics.

I know what I can and have done with large round balls from rifles at longer than 'normal' ranges. I am tallking about 200 and 300 yard shooting.

Now, if it's possible to match those round ball velocities with an improved ballistic shape, ie: the Explora and it indeed seems to be; then, if accurate enough, they would certainly have the power at those ranges - the round ball does.

I'm not talking foot pounds of energy, pounds feet or momentum or any other conceived idea that shows benefit to a particular projectile. I'm talking about real world results. Forsyth himself put a 14 bore ball through both shoulders of a Sambar Stag at 250 yards with a 1,250fps load (mv). Good enough for me (except I use a 1,550fps load for moose - it staggers them).

As to accuracy, I've not done better than a foot (12") at 300 yards, however last 6 shot group at 200, was 1 1/4" X 3 1/2". I was happy with that. Bench, of course. I have my sitting and offhand targets - need more practise, but every one of the 10 shots from those positions was a kill shot on a moose.

Given a proper load, proper rifling twist for that load, there is no reason a 730gr. slug from a 12 bore would not do better.

--------------------
Daryl


"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
DarylS
.700 member


Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 27005
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
Re: Shooting the Fauneta [Re: CommandCar]
      #170201 - 25/10/10 03:08 AM

Quote:

General,

I have no doubt of the accuracy potential at conventional ranges. I just can't figure out why these 105 year old brass and lead zeplins are not on the market today, in some form or another and being used in modern scoped slug guns.

Having shot your 5 Fauneta's with the Armbrust load, have you tried any shots at 150, 200 or even 300 yards? You must have been tempted with all those sight leaves on the rib... If so, what were the results?

Also, it would be great if the forthcoming Fauneta flier contained some actual targets that support these original claims. If they work, Westley Richards should offer them in .615 so they can be used in conventional slug guns...

Thanks




Quite sure the reason they aren't on the market today, is the modern ammo mfgr's haven't even tried to duplicate them, let alone shot them from an origianal - simple as that.

Why? Too expensive to make? Lack of knowledge of what's been tried before? Marketing want's something modern looking? Everyone else is using attached columns so we have to as well - attached columns ar ewhat's selling - so marketing takes over?

Afterall, look at all the wierd shapes and configurations on the market today. Some shoot well in some guns, some are horrible.

Brenneke's might shoot well in your 12 bore, they don't shoot worth a hoot in mine, while round balls shoot almost as well in the Mossy as round balls in my 14 bore ML rifle.

Would I take a crack at a moose at 300yards with a slug from my rifled shotgun - no - I'd rather call him into 50 yards or closer. I could take the long shot, but I'm not starving. I'm a hunter, not a sniper.

--------------------
Daryl


"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
tinkerModerator
.416 member


Reged: 12/03/05
Posts: 4835
Loc: Nevada
Re: Shooting the Fauneta [Re: DarylS]
      #170202 - 25/10/10 03:51 AM

Daryl's got a point -- the dreaded marketing department!


It's a picket bullet.
Spitzers have been the king of pop for so long, how could a picket survive in the 21st century..?

(whatever...)


I see no good reason why those caps would be any more expensive or difficult to produce than a tin button-head.
With the right alloy the die-stamping should work out in a single draw.
I will be thrilled to see the equipment that shows I'm wrong.
(but I'm funny that way, I love manufacturing equipment!)
If anyone here ends up in the storage shed at WR, bring your digicam.
That old dusty heap under the tarp might just be the ticket after all!




Cheers
Tinker

--------------------
--Self-Appointed Colonel, DRSS--



"It IS a dangerous game, and so named for a reason, and you can't play from the keyboard. " --Some Old Texan...


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Mike_Bailey
.400 member


Reged: 26/02/07
Posts: 2289
Loc: GB
Re: Shooting the Fauneta [Re: tinker]
      #170205 - 25/10/10 04:18 AM

Tinker, IŽll be in Solihull for Xmas visiting my family, 10 miles from Westleys so I might call Mr Clode and go for a visit, I havenŽt seen the new premises yet, IŽll take a camera:)
best
Mike


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
CommandCar
.333 member


Reged: 18/09/10
Posts: 292
Loc: East Coast, USA
WR LT manufacturing equipment [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #170206 - 25/10/10 05:13 AM

I recall hearing somewhere that the original LT-capped tooling and/or machines are long gone.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
tinkerModerator
.416 member


Reged: 12/03/05
Posts: 4835
Loc: Nevada
Re: WR LT manufacturing equipment [Re: CommandCar]
      #170207 - 25/10/10 05:16 AM

Mike-


You're a good scout!

CC, I would not be surprised if the equipment has been turned into a bumper for a service-cart.




Cheers
Tinker

--------------------
--Self-Appointed Colonel, DRSS--



"It IS a dangerous game, and so named for a reason, and you can't play from the keyboard. " --Some Old Texan...


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
gatsby
.375 member


Reged: 05/09/05
Posts: 862
Loc: inland valley CA USA
Re: Shooting the Fauneta [Re: CommandCar]
      #170214 - 25/10/10 06:22 AM

Quote:

General,

I have no doubt of the accuracy potential at conventional ranges. I just can't figure out why these 105 year old brass and lead zeplins are not on the market today, in some form or another and being used in modern scoped slug guns.

Having shot your 5 Fauneta's with the Armbrust load, have you tried any shots at 150, 200 or even 300 yards? You must have been tempted with all those sight leaves on the rib... If so, what were the results?





I wouldn't expect the wadcutter like bullet used in the Armbrust load to have the same stability of the LT

The Armbrust bullet and an LT 20




Most conventional paradox style bullets are center or front weighted. The LT has most of its weight in the base.

Original paradox 12 and LT and your original Kynoch bullet



--------------------
"Recoil is insignificant when there is a tiger on the head of your elephant" The Maharaja of Cooch Behar



Edited by CptCurl (25/10/10 11:16 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
CommandCar
.333 member


Reged: 18/09/10
Posts: 292
Loc: East Coast, USA
Re: Shooting the Fauneta [Re: gatsby]
      #170221 - 25/10/10 09:09 AM

Gatsby,

Nice photos, thanks.

The Armbrust bullet is actually from a mould made by John Millar. He also makes a mould to duplicate the original Kynoch 12 bore Paradox in your second photo.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | (show all)



Extra information
0 registered and 62 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  tinker 

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 25368

Rate this topic

Jump to

Contact Us NitroExpress.com

Powered by UBB.threads™ 6.5.5


Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact


Copyright 2003 to 2011 - all rights reserved