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mehulkamdar
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New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido
      #167851 - 16/09/10 09:01 AM

I was sent a full set of pictures and articles by Signor Marco Rigido of New System Arms of his new design Paradox guns. I have problems with my website and have not been able to access my mails, but here are some projectile pictures that I managed to save before my website crashed:



The slugs are loaded in 3 1/2 inch 12 ga guns and Signor Rigido offers these guns as fit for everything from birds to pachyderms.

I have requested him to resend the information to a personal e-mail ID and I shall post it here as soon as I have it. These are VERY interesting guns from what I have seen.

Good hunting, everyone!

Edited by CptCurl (17/09/10 07:24 AM)


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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #168001 - 19/09/10 07:30 AM

Nice Looking gun,keep us updated

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #168488 - 26/09/10 09:58 AM

Sorry its been a while, and my first apologies go to Signor Rigido for this. However, I hope these pictures will make up for the delay at my end:













The basic design is adaptable to several different formats - SxS, O/U and bolt action shotguns.

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #168489 - 26/09/10 10:01 AM

Signor Rigido describes his design theories and process on this page:

"From the lark to the elephant"

The RIFLE model UNIVERSAL 728
by Mark Rigid(Marco Rigido)


If you want to hunt the woodcock, I can make a rifle-shotgun (double-shotgun) or an ultra-light overlaying shotgun; if you prefer to hunt a wild boar, I can make a slug; for the wild-fowling, a fowling piece; if you like to hunt on a mountain, a removable rifle (takedown); and if you prefer Africa, I can make you an express.

But if you love to hunt just about anything and you don't want to buy ten rifles, or if you prefer to carry only one gun with you………… well, while that wasn't possible before, today it is

A shotgun that easily allows you to hunt anything from THE lark to the elephant.

From the lark to the elephant project. (same as the title of Ponce de Leon Adelio's book)

If we hypothetically travel around the world hunting eighty different animal species, starting from the Piemonte to hunt hare, duck, wild boar and so forth, and then move to Eastern Europe, where my friend Fulvio lives, to hunt geese, duck, deer and bear, and then to Africa to hunt leopard, lion, antelope and buffalo, and then onward to Argentina to hunt big wild boar and aquatics, and following that we take a flight to the U.S.A. to hunt the wild turkey and rain deer, and then finally back to Italy for the seasonal passage of the lark and woodcock, and we are not able to carry ten different rifles with us, but we can only bring one, which one would I choose?

In the past, famous companies like HOLLAND & HOLLAND, MANUFRANCE, WESTEY RICHARDS, JEFFREY, etc. gathered together on how to solve the problem and partially succeeded.

In France, MANUFRANCE manufactured smooth-bore rifles (called "SUPRA") to stabilize bullets to spread the shot area. These barrels nowadays are built in Gardone, where many manufacturers are mounting them on rifles, but they are also wrongfully labelling them "Paradox" (the "PARADOX" was actually designed by HOLLAND & HOLLAND, and it was invented by Col. Fosbery; while they still have the same functionality, PARADOX only refers to the part that rifles the choke).

To achieve enough kinetic energy for the bigger animals, 8 gauge was used as this is very powerful (i.e., a heavy weight with strong recoil). 8 gauge was then dropped and replaced by express bullets moving into the nitro powder (i.e., lighter with equal power).

Using the PARADOX by HOLLAND & HOLLAND, as the manufacturer quoted, you could hunt the wide range from the snipe to the tiger.

The excellent PARADOX project by HOLLAND & HOLLAND had two main limitations, though: the ball cartridge developed quite low performance levels in 12 gauge (similar to the current slugs). For this reason, they built bigger gauges like the 10 gauge and the 8 gauge.

Also, the rifled part of the barrel was fixed and this system didn't allow long shots with pellets, and so it ended up acting like a cylindrical barrel.

Today, the smooth bore has evolved and, with the 12/89, it is possible to have a light rifle like a 12 gauge with the performance and power of an 8 gauge, with pellet loads from 24 to 70 grains, with different bullets with different weights and shapes from spherical, to the BRENNEKE, slugs, SOUVESTRE (I recall that Pierre Caravati in Selous (Tanzania) shot down buffalos with a SOUVESTRE 12 MAGNUM. With interchangeable chokers we can have cylindrical barrels, choked to different degrees, and for the rifled barrels, we use the PARADOX.

With a brass shell case 12/89, the 700 Hell is manufactured in the U.S.A.

Some time ago I did the same by creating the 728 cal. M.R. for the world's biggest revolver (named "CUCCIOLO"), but now, with this series of rifles, rifle-shotgun (double-shotgun) or overlaying barrels, with different lengths, one is able to shoot any cartridge, 12 gauge, 12 Magnum gauge, 12 SuperMagnum gauge and 728 M.R., skipping PARADOX by HOLLAND & HOLLAND's own limits, and so the rifle that can knock down anything from the lark to the elephant was born.



COMPARISON

Can shoot far away with pellet cartridges?
PARADOX by H&H. NO
UNIVERSAL 728 di M.R. YES (yes, because it has different chokers)


Can kill elephants in 12 gauge witout using the heavy 8 gauge?
PARADOX by H&H. NO
UNIVERSAL 728 di M.R. YES (yes, with the 728 M.R. cartridge)External Ballistics for COPARISON DATE CARTRIGE SLUG CAL. 12 - 416 RIGBY - M.R.728



From "ARMI E MUNIZIONI" magazine (ITALY)
The new "universal rifle" by Marco Rigido

It's about an overlayed barrel and a double shotgun, 12/89 gauge that can shoot from 65mm cartridge up to the powerful 728 M.R., reviewed here with a 600 grain solid bullet.

With SAUVESTRE-type bullets, long-range shots are possible, suitable to hunt African Antelope, while the specific empennage solid bullet can face even the toughest animals. M.R. 728 UNIVERSAL. THE MOST VERSATILE RIFLE IN THE WORLD.

HANDY, LIGHT, LIKE A NORMAL 12 GAUGE RIFLE

POWERFUL, RELIABLE, LIKE A BIG CALIBER

EFFECTIVE SHOTS UP TO 300 mt. LOADED WITH SABOT BULLETS

Comparative data is on the link.

Good hunting, everyone!

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #168499 - 26/09/10 12:19 PM

Very interesting rifle.

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido [Re: gpsb]
      #168598 - 27/09/10 09:25 PM

awesome

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido [Re: Sniper]
      #168604 - 27/09/10 10:50 PM


Interesting indeed...I never thought an italien gun should catch my interest..I guess one takes a stand to he has another


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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido [Re: rigbymauser]
      #168609 - 28/09/10 02:00 AM

.728 Express - interesting - with a 3 1/2" chamber, VERY good ballistics would be possible with plastic cases, yet .5 Browning brass can easily be modified to give a 3 1/2" brass case - as per Ed Hubel's "12 Gauge from Hell" thread.

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido - Pics Added [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #168635 - 28/09/10 02:17 PM

I have a mail from Signor Marco Rigido and more pics. The CZ 416 was used in the comparison tests as shown on the link to his website, hence its inclusion in the pictures.











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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido - Pics Added [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #168641 - 28/09/10 03:18 PM

Interesting guns. Are the barrels fully rifled or do they use a rifled choke tube? Can you change between shooting bullet and shot and back again without having to change choke tubes first?

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido - Pics Added [Re: Grenadier]
      #168665 - 29/09/10 12:59 AM

The SXS has rifled choke tubes, replacable with normal chokes I think I understood from the text.
I don't know about the over/under.

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido - Pics Added [Re: DarylS]
      #168684 - 29/09/10 08:01 AM

The over and under has rifled choke tubes also

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido - Pics Added [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #168694 - 29/09/10 11:58 AM

Some of the solid experimental bullets that Signor Rigido is working with:



Good hunting, everyone!

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido - Pics Added [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #168729 - 30/09/10 12:16 AM

Has he set a price on the sxs?

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido - Pics Added [Re: irjws]
      #168755 - 30/09/10 07:06 AM

JWS,

No idea of price, but I shall check. I know that one of our members is in touch with signor Rigido about buying ammunition from him. I shall try to find out and post here.

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Re: New Paradox Guns Developed by Marco Rigido - Pics Added [Re: irjws]
      #168997 - 05/10/10 01:06 PM

JWS,

I've received the prices from Signor Rigido - if you would like to communicate with him, I would be happy to give you his mail ID. Of course, if anyone buys one of these guns, I would hope that they would share pics over here on the forums.

Price in Italy shotguns

Universal express shotguns S/S euri 3200.00
Universal 728 O/U euri 2500.00
special finiture or engraved price on request

Price in Italy ammunition
cal. 12/70 paradoss bullets euri 2,60
cal. 12/76 paradoss bullets euri 2,80
cal. 12/89 paradoss bullets H.P. euri 3,80
cal. 12/89 M.R.solid bullets euri 5,00
cal. .728 M.R. price set at the end of trial


Good hunting, everyone!

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