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Re: Krag Jörgensen 1895 sporting rifle [Re: lancaster]
#323252 - 13/01/19 05:36 AM

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this one looks very german influenced, I think parts like swifels were bought from german dealer. the horn trigger guard is typical Suhl made.

I don't recall the Danish barrel being stepped. Any chance it's a replacement?

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Re: Krag Jörgensen 1895 sporting rifle [Re: 9.3x57]
#346755 - 12/11/20 12:07 PM

Something to entertain.
Bringing this back for all to view.

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Re: Krag Jörgensen 1895 sporting rifle [Re: tinker]
#354320 - 13/06/21 06:01 PM

danish krag single shot in 6,5x58RD, looks like a mix of a hunting-target rifle
https://www.lauritz.com/de/auktion/dansk-gevaer-model-1889-special-model-i-kal-6-5-x-58r/i6034151/

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Re: Krag Jörgensen 1895 sporting rifle [Re: lancaster]
#355023 - 09/07/21 03:26 AM

shotgun krag barrel for the dansh 11,6x40R greenland hunting cartridge that was loaded with a bullet but also with a shotload for small game hunting
https://de.bisgaardnielsen.dk/shop/460-r...al-116-x-40-mm/

http://old.municion.org/11/11_6x40R.htm

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Re: Krag Jörgensen 1895 sporting rifle [Re: lancaster]
#355035 - 09/07/21 07:39 AM

Boy you come up with some treasures Lancaster!
Thank you for sharing & making us aware of some surprising innovative developments that have happened over your side of the world!

Correct me if I'm wrong here - the old 11.7x40 R Greenland cartridge was obsolete, so the powers that be resleeved in a newer 8x58 Krag barrels (Assuming here rebored to 11.6x40R danish) hence smoothbored & the reason why there is a second thread on that barrel?

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"The Remington 1867 breech-loading rifle was used in the Danish army until 1919 and in its navy until its complete replacement in 1942.

Part of these rifles, very old but perfectly functional, were sent to Greenland (autonomous territory of the Kingdom of Denmark) as hunting rifles.

The original cartridge for this rifle, 11.7x51.6 R, was no longer in production so a solution was developed to keep these venerable weapons active.

Thus, 8 mm M1889 8 x 58 R Krag-Jorgensen sheaths were used that have the same measurements but cut them just below the shoulder, where both cartridges differ.

This cartridge was in production until the mid-1960s as the "Greenland Cartridge". There was an 11.7x41 R Danish Mod. 1878, but although the measurements are similar they have nothing to do with it.

The "Greenland Cartridge" was built after WWII on recycled military pods, often with pistons marked NP (Norma Patronenfabrik). The Royal Greenland Trading Company appears to have converted some 8 x 58 R Krag-Jorgensen rifles to this caliber.

Typically, they are loaded with black powder and lead bullets with a grease slot. The length of the sheath varies between 39.5 to 40.3 mm. All have military markings from 1910-1942, and some have the symbol '*' or 'o' that indicate previous refills."

One way of getting around a logistical problem I guess!

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Re: Krag Jörgensen 1895 sporting rifle [Re: 93x64mm]
#355044 - 09/07/21 02:00 PM

yes, thats also how I understand it
this second thread was probably to use this barrel in a remington rolling block rifle

there was never a gun chambered for the 11,6x40R greenland cartridge but it was only a budget solution to make ammo for the old remington rolling blocks using 8x58RD brass. after ww2 the rolling block was not seen as an interesting antique but as cheap iron and the typical native hunter in greenland was not swimming in money but working under extrem conditions to make a living.
he was needing a rugged hunting tool with inexpensive ammo.the little shotgun cartridge was probably used to shoot snow hare and fox on short range with little as possible holes in the pelt.

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Re: Krag Jörgensen 1895 sporting rifle [Re: lancaster]
#355052 - 09/07/21 08:52 PM

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this second thread was probably to use this barrel in a remington rolling block rifle

The Danish military Krag has a barrel jacket just like the German M88 commission rifle and the Belgian M89 Mauser. Imho the second thread was used to screw on this jacket. Maybe it's a worn miltary barrel simpply bored out smooth. Or using the barrel jacket on a sporterised rifle allowed the use of the military stock without extensive work on the barrel inletting.

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Re: Krag Jörgensen 1895 sporting rifle [Re: kuduae]
#355062 - 10/07/21 02:10 AM

seems to be indeed like you saying
I was also believing that the barrel was screw into some kind of reduction insert to use it in a receiver who had a bigger thread. something I would feel comfortable when using a little shotgun cartridge.

https://waffenhandel-zwack.de/de/datenbank/hrensrstkammer.html

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Re: Krag Jörgensen 1895 sporting rifle [Re: lancaster]
#361640 - 07/02/22 07:26 PM

a danish Krag Jörg. sporter in 8x58RD https://www.lauritz.com/de/auktion/dansk-gevaer-model-1889-cal-8x58/i6151146/

I had once a barrel like this for a Haenel Aydt schützen rifle, think the barrel here came from Suhl.

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