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OK, now I've shot three, and the misfire on my second shot (at my third buffalo, Zimbabwe 2012) meant that the PH was in my opinion totally justified in putting in a backup shot, and I was glad that he did.

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Six Cape buffalo on my list, no shots by PH.

Five with my wildcat .505, one with my Krieghoff .458 Teck O/U double rifle.

First one at about 60 yards, one .505 through the shoulder, ran about fifty yards and piled up.

Next three were members of a herd we walked up on. Each got a .505 bullet in the middle of the chest from about 40 yards. One was on his feet when we followed up, one more shot broadside put him down. The other two were dead when we located them. One was facing us in a clump of underbrush and no way to confirm that he was dead by the usual means, so we put a couple of .458's in him for good measure.

Number five was facing me in the middle of an open field, about 100 yards away, with no means of getting closer. It took one shot into the middle of his chest from the sitting position with the scoped .458 to put him down. No second shot needed.

Nember five was a running broadside shot. I put four .505's into him as fast as I could operate the bolt, three were in a group I could cover with my hand, just at the point of the shoulder. He went down so suddenly that his nose ploughed up the ground. The PH was not even present.

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Four shots with the .505, three buffalo, no back up shots.



My hunter put two shots into my first elephant, after it was already on the ground. When I remonstrated with him, he explained that we were right on the boundary of the Amboseli Wildlife Refuge and if the elephant had made it back to his feet and lumbered over the line, we could never have recovered it. Those were the first and only back up shots he fired.

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My buff had one bullet in the lungs and sounded pretty sick from it as he waited in some brush, watching his backtrack.

I was ready to finish him off but the PH subscribed to the view that some charges may not be stopped, so opted take the task on himself and put three quick .458 solids through the chest from the side.

It's one thing for the client to want achievement and excitement, but I guess the PH owes a duty to his wife and family, too.

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The only shot I got at a bull in Zimbabwe a few years ago was a going away shot when they got wind of us. The bullet went just left of the anus and dropped the bull on the spot, coming to a stop at the back of the lungs.It had smashed the pelvis and destroyed the liver on the way through. I raced around and brained him with the second shot, fairly instinctive at the time.

My friendly PH insisted on putting a couple of holes in the bull himself and gave him two rounds broadside in the shoulder, about 8" apart as one deflected after going through a tree from about 15 yards! Definitely more testosterone than sense some days!

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However, what is absolutely unacceptable is the outfitter flat-out lying about animals and their status as wild, "concessions" that are really high fenced properties, sudden "opportunities" in the form of you-might-want-to-consider-shooting-this-[insert animal name]-because-I-can-offer-you-a-great-price-today, accommodations that are suddenly unavailable (bait and switch), excessive travel time to and from the hunting area (or worse, paying a full daily hunting rate to ride in a car all day long).

These to me are hanging offenses, which is why I probably won't hunt South Africa ever again.

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The only shot I got at a bull in Zimbabwe a few years ago was a going away shot when they got wind of us. The bullet went just left of the anus and dropped the bull on the spot, coming to a stop at the back of the lungs.It had smashed the pelvis and destroyed the liver on the way through. I raced around and brained him with the second shot, fairly instinctive at the time.

My friendly PH insisted on putting a couple of holes in the bull himself and gave him two rounds broadside in the shoulder, about 8" apart as one deflected after going through a tree from about 15 yards! Definitely more testosterone than sense some days!

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I've always found a liver shot, usually co-lateral damage, a good one for sickening an animal and usually dropping it quickly but here is another example of a PH shooting when not necessary, and obviously from your comments, when not wanted. If the client wants to expend some ammo and empty his magazine or double into his downed animal then fine he is paying for that privilege, as for the PH doing this, piss off.

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I used a RSA PH and we traveled to Zim and hunted with a local PH, I wouldn't do it that way again but I knew a guy and it was the easiest way to arrange things at the time. So the local PH had the local knowledge and my traveling PH played back up to the back up which meant he didn't get hugely involved in the running of the camp or any part of the safari. I guess this was his way of getting involved. Bit of extra blood in the photos but no harm done as the bull was dead!

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Unfortuneately there are unscupulous outfitters and ph's in RSA, luckily only a few, that create a bad name for the rest of us.

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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, but if there are really only a few bad eggs, perhaps PHASA and the rest of the industry should work to establish standardized contract language that outlines full disclosure methods as a way of improving this reputation.

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One of the unfortuneate problems is that Phasa is not a statutory body. Phasa was formed by outfitters and ph 35 years ago to regulate our industry by ourselves. Phasa was fighting for years to get recognised and to get everybody in the industry under their wings. We also have 9 provinces in the country, each with their own nature conservation legislation. It is very difficult to get them all to agree an certain matters.

Luckily some of the provinces changed their legislation so that you cannot register as a ph unless you is a member of Phasa. Phasa also changed their membership fees which will make it more afordable for a ph to become a member. Ph's will now pay a lower membership fee than outfitters, I think it is a very good move.

I was once hammered on another forum for suggesting that clients should only book with outfitters that are members of Phasa. I still think clients should only use Phasa outfitters, because they have more protection that way.

Clients should ask the right questions, any body that guarentees you a specific throphy size in my opinion is pullig a sock over your head. One can only guarentee that the animals are available and that a their is throphy animals, but to guarentee you that you will get it, is put and take in my eyes. Be careful and ask lots of questions, you will quickly be able to read between the lines and seperate the BS'ers from the genuine guys.

Just my opinion.

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