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davidindallas
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Blaser 93/Krieghoff Big Five
      #165021 - 27/07/10 01:34 AM

I have been to Africa several times and in recent years have taken to my Blaser R93--a straight pull bolt gun in interchangeable offerings, including 375 and 416. Most recently I used the gun in 375 for plains game in Namibia and SA to very good effect (these are very accurate guns). Anyway, the Blaser has a thumb actuated safety/decocker that makes the gun very safe, but takes some getting used to. I've done enough hunting to know that changing between various makes of firearms can lead to bungling as the moments get tight. I'm thinking of a mauser system that went click on my recently for reasons I still can't figure. I had the same experience with my Blaser after my PH cocked the gun over an empty chamber.

I've been wanting a double for some time, and am inclined toward the heavier end of calibers 450N.E., 470, or 500 on the theory that it's for dangerous game and I'd usually take another gun for the smaller things on the trip. As that's now likely a Blaser, I'm wondering if people have thoughts or experience to share on the Kreighoff striker system and its similarity to the Blaser I'm getting habitually familiar with. I'd been looking at the Chapuis (pretty) and the Merkel (which seems strudy) or perhaps even the Sabatis (unknown). As I think about the Krieghoff, I'm starting the think that it would make some sense with my Blaser, assuming I can get myself conditioned in a crunch to always be flicking forward before I pull the rifle up. Frankly, at first I didn't like the gun for fear of not having it cocked and in a panic not knowing why it won't fire. Anyone have such a combination or useful insights?

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John
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Re: Blaser 93/Krieghoff Big Five [Re: davidindallas]
      #165130 - 29/07/10 04:26 AM

It makes perfect sense to me that you pick a DR that has the decocking safety system as that is what you are accustomed to with your Blaser. I like to have my actions similar, (i.e. all with manual safety and double trigger) then in a crunch, when instinct takes over you don’t get a surprise. The advantage with the Krieghoff DR is once the rifle is cocked, it stays cocked after she is opened. You do not have to recock after a reload, when you require you simply decock, the same as your Blaser R93.

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Re: Blaser 93/Krieghoff Big Five [Re: davidindallas]
      #165144 - 29/07/10 05:29 AM

Having owned an R93 and a Big 5 I would agree that the safety/cocking system would make going from one to the other pretty transparent. Are you currently in the market for a Big 5? I happen to know of one in 500NE for sale (mine).

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Re: Blaser 93/Krieghoff Big Five [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #165160 - 29/07/10 01:01 PM

The Blaser makes you "recock" the gun every time you open it, that alone does not make it suitable for a dangerous game gun. In addition the Blazer is as ugly as a mud fence (what is with that hose clamp arrangement around the muzzle for regulation) with the handling characteristics of a wet 4x4.

As mentioned above the Krieghoff does not require you to recock after opening. Although I still feel it requires too much effort to cock it the first time for a true dangerous game gun.

Neither the Blaser or Krieghoff offer ejectors.

Both the Chapuis and Merkel have a traditional safety and are available with ejectors.

Since it looks like you are in Dallas, you should think about going to the DSC convention in Jan where you can look at any number of doubles in one place. Also remember, buy what suits you, its your money.

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John
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Re: Blaser 93/Krieghoff Big Five [Re: Kebco]
      #165161 - 29/07/10 01:20 PM

This statement is sure to stir things up but I believe the advantage of ejectors is minimal to nonexistent. I use a Merkal 140 9.3 with ejectors and a old English .470 with non ejectors. When allowing for the slightly slower recovery time between shots with the heavier caliber .470 non ejector, the time for a reload is very close between the two rifles. The only time the ejector DR has a clear advantage is when you want to reload one barrel, not both, especially when on the run! I find the ease with which the non ejector DR opens almost counters the speed of ejectors. To take this one step further I would not hesitate in using a hammer non ejector when up against dangerous game, but then again this is a system that I have used for close to 50 years. Purchase the DR that suits you, then practice with her, you will be well pleased I am sure,

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Re: Blaser 93/Krieghoff Big Five [Re: davidindallas]
      #165163 - 29/07/10 01:45 PM

There's been several good reviews of the Sabatti's both here and at AccurateReloading.I owuld look them over if you're wanting a well made accurate rifle.

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Re: Blaser 93/Krieghoff Big Five [Re: AkMike]
      #165177 - 29/07/10 06:46 PM

Call me old fashioned,but I would stick with a .577 Nitro hammer gun - at least you can see it is cocked and it WILL go off when ou pull the trigger......

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Re: Blaser 93/Krieghoff Big Five [Re: davidindallas]
      #165180 - 29/07/10 07:26 PM

Davidindallas wellcome to the forum.

First of all - it is just IMO so don't bother - but I'd detere you from the stance you have taken when buying your first double.

Each to his own, but making a decision of getting a double is not a rational one, therefore doesn't come from ones mind but more from ones heart. So dump all you have learned so far through bolts. The main entrance that IMO anyone should enter when approaching his/hers double rifle should be through FEEL. Therefore get to the place that owns a couple different ones and take them in your hands, then LISTEN...to each and one of them...by you HEART not your mind...and they will spoke and you will know exactly which ONE YOU WANT.

I've been shooting my R93 for more than a decade by now and I guess it is still my "fighting" weapon, but the only rifle that goes along today is my Merkel. I didn't have any problems getting used to - I have shot my SxS shotgun much much more I did my R93 so it came very natural right from beginning. Don't worry - whatever you choose this way will be right for you, just remember - if heart is empty, head doesn't matter.

Good luck!

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Re: Blaser 93/Krieghoff Big Five [Re: davidindallas]
      #165188 - 29/07/10 09:08 PM

Out of the too you list, I would strongly prefer the Krieghoff.

A Blaser double rifle would take a bit of selling for me to consider one, however never say never.

I would also consider the Merkel and Chapuis as well. Yep look at Sabatti as well.

Other makers of a higher standard worth looking at include Heym and Verney-Carron, whom have just joined NE.

Have a good look at them all if you can, as 'mouse' says for fit and feel as well. The Blaser IMO is definitely the odd one out of all the above.

As for the R93 being similar to the Blaser or Krieghoff, the feel of a bolt action and side by side double is quite different so for me, this would not be an issue. Practice, practice, practice, for the new double rifle is how one becomes familiar with it.

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davidindallas
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Re: Blaser 93/Krieghoff Big Five [Re: NitroX]
      #165319 - 31/07/10 02:39 PM

Thanks to all for these helpful thoughts. I do think it makes sense to pick up several of these guns, Merkel, Chapuis, Krieghoff and perhaps a vintage gun at or about the same time. I've held them all and thought I liked them each, but haven't had the chance to do it closely enough in time and with the hot-to-trot buying intent in mind. To be clear, I would not consider the Blaser S2 double. It's just to darn ugly at both ends. My instinct here will probably lead me to having two doubles at some point before I'm dead--a scoped 9.3 x 72 for fun and amusement--boars, hogs, deer and an open sight 470 or 500 for the one or two times in my life that I might again be facing something that can kill me. Need, of course, has no role in this equation. I have sevel 416 and 375 bolt guns already. (Maybe cabelas would take one in trade on a sabati). I just want a big heavy, pretty stick that throws massive quantities of lead.

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