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Ron_Vella
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Source for Krieghoff Sempert scope rings?
      #161129 - 28/05/10 12:25 PM

I picked up an interesting combination gun today, built by Simson, Suhl, for Ewald Tuckmantel of Varel. There are two original sets of barrels, each with its own fore end, all parts bear the same serial number and all major assemblies bear the Simson logo. One set of barrels is S x S shotgun, 16 gauge, 2 ˝” x 16 gauge, 2 ˝”, 28 3/8” long.

The second set of barrels is a Cape gun configuration, 8 x 57 JR x 16 gauge, 2 ˝”, 26 7/8” long. These barrels have a silver bead front and single leaf rear sight. They also have scope bases built in that I am not familiar with. The forward of the two bases is stamped:

Krieghoff Montage
Sempert & Krieghoff Suhl.

I am attaching a few photos and hope that someone here may be able to tell me about the ring assembly that fits these bases and if and where such an assembly might be found. I’ve checked my Recknagel catalogue but see no likely “Suspects”.









Edited by CptCurl (28/05/10 01:07 PM)

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Re: Source for Krieghoff Sempert scope rings? [Re: Ron_Vella]
      #161253 - 01/06/10 07:00 AM

IMHO it is pretty hopeless to find rings to fit the Krieghoff bases. First, these proprietary mounts were not made any more since at least 1945. Further, most scopes "forgotten" by liberating GIs were remounted in the 1950s using claw mounts. The few Krieghoff mounts I have seen so far all had no real clamp-on scope rings but old-style half-rings soldered to the scope's steel tube.
As both bases appear to be wedged into dovetail slots cut into the rib, for practical purposes I would do it another way: Push the bases out of their slots, left to right. Measure their thickness and note any difference. Store them safely away for collector's sake. File new bases to fit modern rings from bar stock, perhaps Weaver or Talley style, and fit them into the existing dovetails.Any gun tinker worth his salt should be able to produce workable bases, a good gunsmith may even be able to shape and engrave them in a way, so that the change is close to undetectable.

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Re: Source for Krieghoff Sempert scope rings? [Re: kuduae]
      #162641 - 24/06/10 02:54 AM

As a follow up, I've just completed an oak and leather case for this gun. Started with a 1" x 4" x 8' red oak board which I planed to 3/8" thickness, a sheet of 1/4" oak plywood, and a square shoulder of 7 ounce cow hide. I've tried to "antique" the leather to make it look right for the age of the gun. Over all, I'm pretty happy with the way that it turned out. I was also able to pick up a Kahles 2 1/2x steel scope which looks "right" with this gun. Still working on the rings issue.









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Re: Source for Krieghoff Sempert scope rings? [Re: Ron_Vella]
      #162653 - 24/06/10 08:39 AM


Hi Ron,

Your a talented man, well done with the joinery.

Cheers,

Jeff Gray

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Re: Source for Krieghoff Sempert scope rings? [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #165954 - 09/08/10 11:50 AM

I had zero luck trying to locate factory rings to fit these bases. I bought a set of Leupold Super-High rings, drew up a set of plans, and went to visit my tool and die maker friend who has a Bridgeport mill in his garage. Here is what we produced. I just finished rust-bluing them a few days ago. One half turn of the levers releases these rings or locks them down like they were welded on. The gun shoots VERY accurately with this Kahles 2 1/2 power scope mounted.

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