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GSP7
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9x57 mauser bullets
      #160090 - 07/05/10 01:33 PM

Are standard 35 cal bullets the right size for a rifle chambered in 9x57?

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: GSP7]
      #160091 - 07/05/10 02:11 PM

No,you will no doubt need bullets that measure .356.Standard 35 cal.measure .358,but you should slug the bore to be certain.

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: GSP7]
      #160092 - 07/05/10 03:30 PM

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Are standard 35 cal bullets the right size for a rifle chambered in 9x57?



Very good article on the 9x57 Mauser in NZ G&H magazine issue #102. The author and owner of a 1935 Model 98 (Max G Fischer customized) found his barrel slugged out at .358" so don't take it for granted that the 9mm is .356".

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: eagle27]
      #160093 - 07/05/10 04:21 PM

So far I havent found anyone that makes .356 bullets, didnt see any at Grafs

Is there a source for .356 rifle bullets?

Edited by GSP7 (07/05/10 04:32 PM)

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: GSP7]
      #160094 - 07/05/10 05:35 PM

this question comes back regular. the bullet diameter for 9x57 mauser and 9x56 mannlicher schoenauer is 9,08mm and that is .3755 iirc. it is common practise to use american .358 bullets for many years now and you will also find this in european reloading manual's. barrels may vary from .356 to .358 and I have heard about a M 88 sporter with .354 barrel. its not a good idea to use .358 bullets in a .354 barrel but if you realy have one of the .356 barrels dont worry.
I believe lee is making bullet resizing die's for the reloading press. this is a simple solution for any problem's with odd bullet diameter.
the soft .357 pistol bullet's will work fine for paper punching.

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: lancaster]
      #160099 - 07/05/10 06:46 PM

The one important thing to watch is neck clearance. As long as the bullet you are using or plan to use fits easily into the neck of a fired case, you should have no difficulty. With sufficient neck clearance, bullet diameter is only important with regard to accuracy, not to safety.

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: xausa]
      #160106 - 07/05/10 11:32 PM

I have a very early 9x56 mannlicher schoenauer with a bore that measures .3525.In my limited experience, bullets even .002 oversize can cause some pretty serious barrel fouling,and degraded accuracy.

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: rglenz]
      #160112 - 08/05/10 01:39 AM

$25.00 US buys a custom sizer die from Lee that fits normal loading presses. You should be able to go from .358" to about .353" in one pass. Use something like STOS or Imperial Die Wax for a bullet lube. Dies are designed for sizing pre-lubed cast bullets but work well for jacketed as well. With the die, you get the plunger which fits nromal rams. The bulle tis sized nose first, so no nose damage results.

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: DarylS]
      #160175 - 09/05/10 10:50 AM

I assume you can use 8x57 brass mecked up for the 9x57??? Someone posted else where that he has a stash of berdan primed cases for this cart

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: GSP7]
      #160209 - 10/05/10 12:42 AM

Whenever making brass out of something else, as as a normal fuction of loading for a 'new' round, one should measure the chamber to find out it's dimensions.
Here's the system I use to make 9.3x57 brass from new RP 8x57 brass. I neck it up to .42 or .44 cal using plungers in dies, then neck them back down to fit the chamber perfectly, with 'feel' or slight crush on the bolt.
1 pass to open them up, sized perfectly - no annealing.





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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: DarylS]
      #160217 - 10/05/10 05:29 AM

Many thanks Daryl. I am just about to start working on loads for my "new" Haenel 9x57. I was thinking of loading them up with .357 bullets and fire forming. Your process should eleminate the need to fireform. I have the C&H version of the expander as you show. I will be starting with some Czech brass I have in 8x57. My barrel slugs just at .358. I hope the chamber neck goes along with that.
I will eventually post some info after I try it out.
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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #160739 - 20/05/10 07:28 AM

If the factory bullet slides freely in a fired case neck, then you have no neck issues. If not, you might be able to correct it with a slightly larger expander.

It's my policy also to expand necks oversize and then size then down a bit at a time until the bolt closes with a light resistance. This is especially important if you spot, for instance, that the primer has partly backed out of the case after firing. It's filling the excess headspace. I used C-H tapered expanders to over-expand.

If the necks split on expanding, (not likely but possible), you can either accept the failure rate, try another brand of case or anneal first. I use moulten lead, 5 seconds MAX - NECK AND SHOULDERS ONLY. The way to ensure only these get treated is to have a shallow tray of moulten lead. A lead shotmaker was ideal for me. I also made up a heat-sink, being a thick block of brass with a case sized hole in the middle. This was then cut in half and each half mounted by a thread to a vice-grip jaw. Case's that had been treated could then be quick-released into a bucket of water to stop any further heat transfer to the case body or head especially. You must leave the SPENT primer in, by the way, when you do this.

My bore was .358 and Hornady bullets in that caliber worked very well. I never used a pistol bullet to fire-form. The 9x57 case was originally made from an 8x57 Mauser and I would think they're close enough, (see cartridge drawings available on the net), that one will make the other.

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: Kiwi_bloke]
      #160740 - 20/05/10 07:29 AM

p.s. eagle 27, you're blowing my cover !!!

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: GSP7]
      #160743 - 20/05/10 12:37 PM

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So far I havent found anyone that makes .356 bullets, didnt see any at Grafs

Is there a source for .356 rifle bullets?



Try http://www.hawkbullets.com/

They list 9mm. Don't know what availability is like though.

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: Kiwi_bloke]
      #160757 - 20/05/10 04:15 PM

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p.s. eagle 27, you're blowing my cover !!!



My humble apologies Kiwi, great article and rifle though.

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: eagle27]
      #160763 - 20/05/10 07:06 PM

No need for apologies, I was purely kidding.

There's an article coming up in NZ Guns & Hunting on the M.1910 Mannlicher-Schoenauer, if you liked the 9x57 Mauser article.

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: Kiwi_bloke]
      #160765 - 20/05/10 07:25 PM

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No need for apologies, I was purely kidding.

There's an article coming up in NZ Guns & Hunting on the M.1910 Mannlicher-Schoenauer, if you liked the 9x57 Mauser article.



Yes knew you were, I'll look forward to your next article. I shot a Roe deer buck with an early model 6.5x54 MS when in Germany. Nice rifles and suited to the 6.5 too.

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Re: 9x57 mauser bullets [Re: eagle27]
      #160771 - 20/05/10 09:29 PM

Any chance someone could scan a copy of the NZ Hunting 9x57mm article? I had a quick look and most of the newsagents don't stock the NZ magazines here. My next rifle will almost certainly be in 9x57mm as I've ended up with a small ring M98 action and popular consensus is that 9.3x62mm is too much for it.
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