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hoser
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Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R?
#153512 - 13/02/10 09:33 AM

Any opinions or experience with the single shot Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? Would this make a good companion gun for a sxs double in same caliber? Or is this caliber a better close range only round and not for taking game beyond 200 yards?

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: hoser]
#153519 - 13/02/10 11:03 AM

I have shot a number of African animals at ranges from 200-250 yards with my 9.3x62 which has similar factory ballistics to the 9.3x74R. Those shots were succesful because I had practised every day for 6 weeks prior to the hunt at ranges from 50 to 300 yards in 50 yard intervals. IMO 200 yards is about the practical limit beyond which impact velocities drop off affecting projectile performance.

The Ruger No.1 is a strong action and you should be able to hand load it safely past what factory ballistics can offer as they are often kept low for break action rifles.

Where the 9.3x74R may have a niche accompanying your double, is as a longer range rifle. Loaded with high B.C. 250 grain projectiles such as the Nosler 250 Accubond which is quite tough, or the softer and older, 250 BT. You should be able to exceed muzzle velocities of 2,684fps comfortably in a No.1 Ruger.

Norma and RWS both make excellent factory ammo and components and also make projectiles in the 200-250 grain range. RWS make the 258 H-Mantle which is an excellent all around projectile for all soft skinned plains game and was IIRC the pre-cursor to the Nosler Partition. The Woodleigh 250 offerings should also be considered.

Let us know how you get on. Lots of 9.3mm fans here.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=137336&an=0&page=0#Post137336

Edited by tophet1 (13/02/10 11:07 AM)

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: tophet1]
#153520 - 13/02/10 11:08 AM

Thanks! I did finally pick up a Chapuis 9.3x74R. I know range is limited with a sxs and the thought came up to get a second in the same caliber in case shots were further out than 100 yards. That's when I came across the Ruger #1.

Anyone else make a single shot in this caliber?

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: hoser]
#153522 - 13/02/10 11:16 AM

That Chapuis will reach out way beyond 100 yds. Use it.

I'd be afraid of getting the ammo for the Ruger mixed up with the DR ammo..

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: AkMike]
#153523 - 13/02/10 11:38 AM

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: tophet1]
#153526 - 13/02/10 12:08 PM

Not THAT ready! After that, I definately like the Ruger #1 better anyway!

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: hoser]
#153533 - 13/02/10 12:43 PM

I have a Ruger No. in 9.3x74R. It has shot well with ammo loaded from all the major bullet makers from 250 to 286 gr. I am having fun busting wild hogs with 250 gr. paper-patched 0.358" cast lead bullets. My only complaint is height of the comb of the stock. It must have been designed with scopes in mind. I shoot my rifle with a NECG receiver sight. Hard kicking loads causes the stock to bruise the cheek bone of my face. I will be fitting a Trijicon scope on later this year.

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: ReverendRecoil]
#153542 - 13/02/10 02:00 PM

There you go. Use your double with express sights for up close and personal shooting and a No.1 with scope for everything else.

You maybe lucky to find a factory or hand load that shoots well in both rifles. You can only carry one rifle at a time, just be aware of which ammo works in which.

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: hoser]
#153544 - 13/02/10 02:32 PM

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Thanks! I did finally pick up a Chapuis 9.3x74R. I know range is limited with a sxs and the thought came up to get a second in the same caliber in case shots were further out than 100 yards. That's when I came across the Ruger #1.

Just have a quality scope fitted to your Chapuis using QD mounts, claws being preferable. Even if you sight the scope to just one barrel, you still end up with a scoped single shot.
This would save the drama of two different rifles shooting two different loads. As Mike pointed out, it would be possible to mix up the rounds which could prove to be nasty.
Your Chapuis will be accurate way beyond 100 yards when scoped.

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: 4seventy]
#153555 - 13/02/10 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Thanks! I did finally pick up a Chapuis 9.3x74R. I know range is limited with a sxs and the thought came up to get a second in the same caliber in case shots were further out than 100 yards. That's when I came across the Ruger #1.

Just have a quality scope fitted to your Chapuis using QD mounts, claws being preferable. Even if you sight the scope to just one barrel, you still end up with a scoped single shot.
This would save the drama of two different rifles shooting two different loads. As Mike pointed out, it would possible to mix up the rounds which could prove to be nasty.
Your Chapuis will be accurate way beyond 100 yards when scoped.

I'm not 100% sure I want to even use a scope on the sxs. I'm thinking about keeping it an iron sight gun only. But we'll see how it goes.

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: hoser]
#153560 - 13/02/10 05:11 PM

Scope it with a QD set up! You won't regret it!

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: AkMike]
#153561 - 13/02/10 05:19 PM

I agree hoser.

Scoping a SxS is a bit dirty. Like giving your wife polyester Lingerie. Whilst hunting it's like cheating too, unless you have poor eyesight.

If you need different ammo, use RWS brass for one rifle and Norma for the other and mark the end of the rounds for one rifle with a red permanent marker to tell the difference.

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: tophet1]
#153562 - 13/02/10 05:41 PM

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Scoping a SxS is a bit dirty.

Dirty???
The best makers have been building scoped SxS double rifles for a long time.
QD mounts do allow the rifle to be easily used open sighted anyway, so I fail to see any problem there. If you don't want to use the scope you don't have to use it.
But if a difficult shot presents itself, the scope can be a real advantage.

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Whilst hunting it's like cheating too, unless you have poor eyesight.

I don't agree.
I'd rather use open sights anyday than a scope, but there are plenty of hunting situations which just cannot be handled with iron sights.
On double rifles up to .375 cal or thereabouts, a scope in detachable mounts makes the rifle far more versatile.

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: hoser]
#153567 - 13/02/10 06:55 PM

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I'm not 100% sure I want to even use a scope on the sxs. I'm thinking about keeping it an iron sight gun only. But we'll see how it goes.

That's fair enough.
But, hunting with a double rifle and a No1 both in the same chambering, and having high pressure loads for the No1 which are over-pressure for the double, is a recipe for disaster, no matter how well you have marked the loads or how carefull you think you will be.

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: 4seventy]
#153574 - 13/02/10 09:03 PM

Hi Hoser,

Scope the D.R. with a good quality scope, I like the S&B 1.1-4x24 with a FD7 reticle in the Recknagel Q.D. pivot mounts, then choose 1 Barrel / Trigger that you are most happy with and sight it in as you would a normal single barrel rifle. Have a look at the ballistics, the 9.3x74R is no slouch and if your 2" high @ 100 nothing is safe out to 300 yards but use good quality projectiles. Then if you want to use open sights, 30 seconds later your done.

As good as the Ruger No.1 is, anything that it can do the Chapuis can do as well if not better. One rifle to carry, less freight to Africa or where-ever your hunting and your shooting a new version of the "Old World" hunter.

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Re: Ruger #1 in 9.3x74R? [Re: hoser]
#153585 - 13/02/10 11:44 PM

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Thanks! I did finally pick up a Chapuis 9.3x74R. I know range is limited with a sxs and the thought came up to get a second in the same caliber in case shots were further out than 100 yards. That's when I came across the Ruger #1.

Anyone else make a single shot in this caliber?

Why bother with a Ruger no. 1 when you already have a Chapuis DR.

Put a scope on it. You will either have a good scoped DR which regulates or at worst a single shot barrel aligned with the scope, same as the Ruger no. 1. (ie if it regulates with the scope, fine! If it doesn't set up the scope to shoot one of the barrels well.)

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