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Hunter's regret after giant kill
      #151787 - 25/01/10 05:39 PM

Hunter's regret after giant kill


Bagdad shooter Kevin Rayner with the Alaskan grizzly bear he shot.

PHILIPPA DUNCAN

January 24, 2010 08:59am

TASMANIAN Kevin Rayner waited three days, eyes combing the Alaskan tundra, for this giant to wander into shot.

He was worth the 20-hours-a-day wait: the 2.7-metre bear is listed on the big-game website Safari Club International as the second-biggest grizzly ever shot.

"It's not a bad honour for a little Tasmanian boy," said Mr Rayner, of Bagdad.

"Safari Club is a club of billionaires, millionaires and aristocratic people you would hardly believe.

"They've got money to burn and go on the most expensive hunts."

The 67-year-old retired teacher was on his fourth hunting trip to Alaska when he saw his grizzly.

"I could see it was awfully big," he said.

He couldn't get near it so he shot a giant moose, left the backbone and frame as bait and waited.

Alaskan summer days are long 20 hours but nature put on quite a show.

"Before the bear came back a wolf pack came to the kill, walking around picking up any scraps they would find," Mr Rayner said.

"They seemed to float around like ghosts. They really are beautiful animals."

Then on the third day it came.

"One shot killed the bear instantly," Mr Rayner said.

"I could not believe how large the bear was. It was as big around the arm as I am around the chest.

"I felt pretty excited but to tell you the truth I will never shoot another bear.

"I have never felt guilty shooting an animal before, but when I shot the bear I did.

"I felt a bit sad for the bear, he was so regal, so beautiful, it had taken him so long to grow."

It weighed up to 600 kilos and was 26 years old.

"If it were to stand up it's higher than the ceiling of an ordinary room," he said.

It took three days to shoot, but three years to get the bear's tanned skin through Customs.

Mr Rayner spent tens of thousands hunting his trophy, and is up for thousands more to get it mounted by Longford taxidermist Simon Stone.

"It's an enormous waste of money I know," Mr Rayner said.

He also had to raise the roof of his trophy room to fit the grizzly alongside about 60 other animals he has shot. "When we have a dinner party we have it in there," he said.

"The guests either cope or they don't. There are a few people around who can't handle it."

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: NitroX]
      #151788 - 25/01/10 05:44 PM

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: NitroX]
      #151806 - 25/01/10 11:34 PM

What a pathetic lot...hope the blowhole writing that article comes to my house...

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: Ripp]
      #151837 - 26/01/10 04:34 AM

nice bear

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: NitroX]
      #151896 - 26/01/10 02:55 PM


My comment online:

The comments implying that the bear was "wasted" seem to read something not in the article. Bear meat is edible and hunted for meat as well as as a trophy. Indeed most parts of North America have laws requiring the animal's meat to be fully utilised.

Wild game meat, what a wonderful source of free range organic meat!

And with hunting being such an exciting holiday and sporting activity we should be all encouraging our children to join in hunting and shooting. Many urban dwellers informs us that they believe we should not be ALLOWED to hunt any more, that it might have been needed in the past, but is no longer needed. But as an age old human activity perhaps we would be better off returning to our roots, rather than following ever more "plastic" forms of modern life.

Well done, Kevin! A grand trophy and in hunting the bear, you have contributed to wildlife conservation in a practical and constructive way.

And my letter to the editor:

Hunter's regret after giant kill
PHILIPPA DUNCAN

January 24, 2010 08:59am

Dear Editor,

I refer to the article "Hunter's regret after giant kill".

Kevin Rayner says he feels some regret after shooting the bear and this shows his true hunter's love for the animals he hunts. Hunters do not want game animals exterminated but rather conserved and managed wisely for future generations. Hunters truly love wildlife.

Hunting provides a useful way to manage wildlife, indeed conservation means "to use wisely". Total preservation of wildlife is usually actually harmful to wild animal populations.

While Mr Rayner may have brought the skin and skull of the bear back to Australia as a trophy no doubt the meat from the bear would have also be utilised. Most parts of North America require the meat from animals harvested in the wild to be utilised. And wild game provides an excellent source of free range organic meat!

Hunting is definitely NOT a dead activity for mankind, but an age old activity as long as mankind's existence itself, which is facing a resurgence as thinking individuals in our society turn away from the "plastic" existence being urged on us by greenies and other out of touch urbanites.

Well done to Mr Rayner for contributing to wildlife conservation in North America and also congratulations on his fine trophy.

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: NitroX]
      #151906 - 26/01/10 04:56 PM

More:

"Why do all the Greenies on here ASSUME bear meat is not eaten? Learn something about the natural world for once in your life. Bear meat is good tucker. It is hypocritical to tuck into an Australia Day lamb chop while condemning bear hunting. As for veges and vegans well deforestation kills more wildlife than most other human activities. Think on that as you munch on your lentils. "

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: NitroX]
      #151926 - 26/01/10 09:18 PM

Good comments Nitrox!
Mine lower down...
Congratulations! That is a magnificent bear and old too! I bet you had a really great hunt up there in Alaska - fantastic! You are a retired teacher - I hope you had the chance to explain the concept of sustainable resource use economics to your students. Seems that there are quite a few posters on here who haven't grasped that concept. Well done again for a great hunt, supporting conservation and the local Alaskan economy at the same time. Waidmannsheil indeed!
Posted by: Jabali Hunter of England 3:46am today

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #151927 - 26/01/10 09:38 PM

Some of the negative comments in the article by Rayner were probably cherry picked from the whole interview. It looks like a "conversational" interview and they then probably picked bits to have the most controversial impact. The Tasmanian Mercury is known for its anti-hunting anti-shooting platform.

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: Ripp]
      #151947 - 27/01/10 12:56 AM

Quote:

What a pathetic lot...hope the blowhole writing that article comes to my house...

Ripp



+1

Good grief. This is the most retarded article I have ever read. The joker spends umpteen gazillions of dollars chasing critters only to shoot them and THEN sob at their demise.

Reminds me of the Captain of the Cheerleading Squad squirming around with the Quarterback in Back Seat;

"NO, NO!! {yes, yes...} NO, NO!! {yes...yes...} I HATE IT!!! {i love it...}!! "



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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: NitroX]
      #151950 - 27/01/10 01:14 AM

Quote:

More:

"Why do all the Greenies on here ASSUME bear meat is not eaten? Learn something about the natural world for once in your life. Bear meat is good tucker. It is hypocritical to tuck into an Australia Day lamb chop while condemning bear hunting. As for veges and vegans well deforestation kills more wildlife than most other human activities. Think on that as you munch on your lentils. "



Bear is a favorite with us. Best roasts and chops made!

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: 9.3x57]
      #152011 - 27/01/10 11:48 AM

While some eat brown/grizzly bear in Alaska, there is no requirement to salvage the meat (unless killed under special subsistence hunts). I know of a few folks that take some meat from interior grizzlies, but most who take browns do not salvage meat. You must salvage the hide and skull. Salvage of meat is not required due to the risk of contracting trichinosis.

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: Antlers]
      #152067 - 28/01/10 07:14 AM

Let this be a warning to ALL OF YOU.

If you deign to be interviewed by print or video journalists - and there are many reasons why you should, particularly when trying to get the truth out against the waves of prejudice - make sure you have at the very least a voice-activated tape recorder.

If you want to be really overt, offer the journalist a copy "to ensure the accuracy of the quotes".

Furthermore, if you're given the journalist's name ahead of time you can google up their previous articles and in most cases, predict what questions they'll ask or where they'll try to lead you.

You can counter this by writing out notes to yourself ahead of time, with the bullet points (no pun intended) that you want to get across. Do your homework ahead of time and when the interview starts, you may not even have to check your notes.

It's like looking at a map before you take a trip - if you memorize the route and the bypasses, you may not even have to pull it out.

Just some food for thought.

Edited by Story (28/01/10 07:17 AM)

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Re: Hunter's regret after giant kill [Re: Story]
      #152082 - 28/01/10 01:36 PM

Quote:


You can counter this by writing out notes to yourself ahead of time, with the bullet points (no pun intended) that you want to get across. Do your homework ahead of time and when the interview starts, you may not even have to check your notes.




Good advice. I occasionally do media interviews for a different industry and always try to write bullet points ahead of time. To refer to if needed. Also I consult the PR staff if possible. Printed articles are always easier than radio or TV interviews. Haven't done any TV ones yet thank goodness.

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