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Holland Double Rifles don't have much of a third bite, if any.

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I didnt say you need one, but you say they dont make a difference, a think they do.

But there are a lot of crappy guns with crossbolts, so there will be bad examples.

On a modern steel action there hardly are a need for anny third bite if made in a rimmed cartridge but still the complex jaeger is made to secure the action a bit further.
My point is there is allways a need to get the buyer so stronger apperence will probably sell more guns, funny thing is that one seldom sees it in o/u guns.

Also if you dont think its of use take a h&h and remove the underlugs and i will do the same thing with one of my loose fitting crossbolt guns and then will pop of a couple of rounds each.

Btw. chapius only uses one bite in there smaller frames, and it seems to work fine, are they better then the h&h then.

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"Yeas it kicks like a mule he said, but always remember that its much worse standing on the other end"

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So in your opinion, if you were me, would you even mess around with re-hooking the the barrels? You really do have to look hard to see the daylight through the side of the action. There is absolutely no movement at all with any parts. Like I said before though this is my first build. I don't want it to blow in my face!!

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It's a Sauer made in 2-1963. I have posted pics of it on another thread in this forum. "SAUER DR Project" Let me know what you think!

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metalguy

i think this is something like this you are talking about, right ?





sorry about the picture quality, these are just snapshots of what would consist of a truck gun i made for fun, and i promised my boss that i would tell everyone that my place of employment has nothing to do with this what so ever, and this in no way shape or form reflects work from John Rigby & Co. LONDON, where it is a No-No to put rifle barrels on a german shotgun action

THIS action were plenty strong enough for this job, but i wont be responsible for your action holding up to the stress, sorry but it has to be said.

remember to have the gun profed when finished.

GUN facts: Suhl 12 gauge shotgun from 1938, henry atkin barrels from 1930, mated up in two days because that were all i had.
caliber 450/400 3"
weight: 9 punds 3 ounces, yes it is frisky

it is my allweather gun, toss into the truck and forget about it, but it still shoots pretty good.

hope this helps.

P.S the name of the gun is THE DUCK because of the engraving at the bottom of the action, real classy

best

peter

Edited by peter (10/12/09 07:35 AM)

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This makes me want to comment the types of action with a vertical pin lockup as the bissel and the german one in this thread http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....;gonew=1#UNREAD

Yeas they are excellent third fasteners visually, but as an lockup the will lack in comparision with a common third fastener.

Does this mean the are vorse, hell no, but they are not as strong as crossbolt for instance, would i want one, hell yeah.

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This makes me want to comment the types of action with a vertical pin lockup as the bissel and the german one in this thread http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....;gonew=1#UNREAD

Yeas they are excellent third fasteners visually, but as an lockup the will lack in comparision with a common third fastener.

Does this mean the are vorse, hell no, but they are not as strong as crossbolt for instance, would i want one, hell yeah.

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I think that I should point out that Rigby/Bissel Rising Bites do not rise vertically but at an angle of 12 degrees +- toward the rear of the action. Thus the more the action tends to bend or open the tighter they grip.

Further that as the third bite does not have to rise before the action is fully closed there are tighter clearences in place and more contact possible than for example a dolls head. as the dolls head is discribing an arc into a blind hole and is difficult (very) to achieve a decent fit.

By its nature the Rigby Rising bite is one of the very strongest lockups.



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I suspected it would be a bit provocing to write it, given the recent development it the firearms industry around the world.

But in strenght compared to the cutting forces needed to open a crossbolt, i still think it will fall behind. I would love to own one. Just got some other things to pay for, like food, house, wife, children, etc.

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Dear Andreas

Not trying to sell you one, just wanted to give the facts re various actions.

In A DR Rising bite, the hoop/ top extension, bears on 1/2 of an 11mm long 7mm Dia pin. That is 120 MM square of contact face. Far more than a cross bolt.

The strongest action of all is the old Jones Underlever. Or the New snap underlever London Rigby, but you dont get that until summmer 2010

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