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rigbymauser
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new gun versus old gun
      #145598 - 11/11/09 12:54 AM

The DR here at Lewis & Drakes demands $65K..

http://www.drake.net/westleyrichards.577

The same boxlock just new ( and perhaps even better and nicer) at WR would cost the same or may by less . I wonder why the one made in 1923 cost more actually, than a new one?. Is that just Westley Ridchards guns that demand more in used condition?. A used H&H DR cost less than a new one...very big price difference. I know one can take some historical perspectives into account, when buying vintage...but 1923...not really vintage.

Edited by rigbymauser (11/11/09 12:56 AM)

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Re: new gun versus old gun [Re: rigbymauser]
      #145599 - 11/11/09 01:31 AM

Drake always asks for big money or all guns.

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Re: new gun versus old gun [Re: casper50]
      #145600 - 11/11/09 02:35 AM


Asks big money.

Negotiates down.

1923 is the Epitome of DR builds.

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Re: new gun versus old gun [Re: casper50]
      #145601 - 11/11/09 02:37 AM

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Drake always asks for big money or all guns.



I thought so too.
I haven`t had that particular gun in hand...but 28" barrels, 15Ibs..sounds cumbersome.

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Re: new gun versus old gun [Re: rigbymauser]
      #145602 - 11/11/09 02:38 AM



Yes, I agree, 28" too long for it IMHO.

I would like to know how it balances.

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Re: new gun versus old gun [Re: rigbymauser]
      #145619 - 11/11/09 09:36 AM

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but 28" barrels, 15Ibs..sounds cumbersome.



I dunno, 15lbs for a charge of 100grs. Cordite and a 750 gr. bullet sounds good to me.

The 28in. barrels would give it the same overall length of a magnum mauser with a 25" barrel or so. So maybe not as cumbersome as it seems. Westley seemed to like long barrels in those days.

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Re: new gun versus old gun [Re: Huvius]
      #145630 - 11/11/09 02:23 PM

I have handled that gun and it handles nicely. good shape for as old as it is.

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Re: new gun versus old gun [Re: rigbymauser]
      #145699 - 12/11/09 08:22 AM

First off, original pre-war full nitro .577s DO bring a stiff premium. The name on this one doesn't hurt it either. It handles fine with the 28" barrels. While a new fixed lock Westley might be had for similar money, it would be a quite different rifle and, in my opinion, not of the same quality.

It's in fine condition. I believe the metal finish to be original. As Lewis mentions in the ad, it's been restocked and the original stock remains with the rifle. I didn't get to see the original stock. The new one is certainly not a faithful reproduction of the original. Bores are excellent.

Interesting rifle in that it fits the definition of the "T" prefix Westley's, which not all do. Westley Richards only retailed this one. It's a dead stock standard Webley PHV-1 Model, finished by Webley, not Westley. Westley serial number T7781, Webley serial number 13458. Engraving is Webley's standard "full" pattern found on engraved PHV-1s, and standard grade A & W C Models. Compare the pattern on the action bar on the Westley here:

http://www.sitemason.com/files/cetzkk/Westley%20Richards%20.577%20T7781%20c.JPG

....to that on the bar of this Webley PHV-1 built for Manton here (the same pattern with gold fill):

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Manton-&-Co-Double-Rifle-w-Case-360-No-2.cfm?gun_id=100086569

It's a lovely rifle of excellent quality in fine condition. If the original wood is in as good shape as the metal is, I think it's worth $50ish, perhaps a touch more.

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