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Re: Lyon & Lyon of Calcutta DR's [Re: mickey]
      #145786 - 13/11/09 02:55 PM

I had an identical Watson Brothers. I can also remember Rigby and Wilkinson.

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Re: Lyon & Lyon of Calcutta DR's [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #145833 - 14/11/09 12:30 AM

Hello,

As I mentioned, the serial # is 438XX and the proofs are pre 1904.
So it looks like it predates the above examples by a few years.
When was the 450EX 70 Grain cordite load officially registered.
It was a Rigby load was it not, and they did not trade mark or patent it ?
I need to get my reference books out and check it out, gun room is in a shambles though.
More books than bookshelves, and spare parts laying all over.
I need a maid service for the gun room, anybody looking for a job ?

Nitro450exp

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20 Bore DR
450 NE SR
577 NE SR

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Re: Lyon & Lyon of Calcutta DR's [Re: nitro450exp]
      #145834 - 14/11/09 12:53 AM

Know the feeling, boss.

The .450 was introduced 1898, and doesn't appear to have been retained as proprietary.

Good luck with this.

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Re: Lyon & Lyon of Calcutta DR's [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #145837 - 14/11/09 01:52 AM

Thanks

I will need it !
Really Really hope I can get it.
Keep your fingers crossed.

Nitro450exp

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"Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall

45/70 DR / 12ga Paradox
470 NE DR
12 Bore DR
20 Bore DR
450 NE SR
577 NE SR

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Re: Lyon & Lyon of Calcutta DR's [Re: nitro450exp]
      #145931 - 15/11/09 10:17 AM

Well the deed is done and I am defeated.
The auction was Friday night, it was local and I thought I may have a shot.
Everything I had my eye on went well above high estimate and even blue book value.
I had checked previous gun specialist auctions (James Julia) etc. and the prices were well north of those prices.
I thought there was a recession going on.
The W C Scott 700 20 ga. in 99% condition hammered at 3500 + 18%
The W C Scott 28 ga.in 98% hammered at 4250 + 18%
The Westly Richards 28 ga. 70% condition hammered at 6800 + 18%
The Lyon & Lyon 450EX 85% as restored hammered at 12,000 + 18% I was out at 9500.

It was a vain hope, but nothing ventured noting gained or lost, such is life.
Back to waiting watching and hoping for another local auction with a sleeper.
The auction house had listed the Lyon as a" 7.50 Cordite" and estimated 1500 - 2500.
I was hoping that no one knowledgable or interested would show.
Unfortunately there were allot of high end American guns ( Parker Bros. SxS )
This drew enough people, that I ran into someone who knew and wanted the Lyon.

Thanks for all the advice and input.
If only you could have sent me an extra 6000 to go with it.

Next time.

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"Man is a predator or at least those of us that kill and eat our own meat are. The rest are scavengers, eating what others kill for them." Hugh Randall

45/70 DR / 12ga Paradox
470 NE DR
12 Bore DR
20 Bore DR
450 NE SR
577 NE SR

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