grandveneur
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We are sportsman, that's right, but we have to kill a animal quickly and properly, and by the way, the shot placement is very important ! With a scope the accuracy is, in all cases, better and when something go wrong you can shoot at longer range ! No experiment, the first choice for hunting big game is, despite the caliber or the eyes of the shooter, a scoped rifle ! Unscoped rifles and DR's are in my opinion not the best choice today !
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JabaliHunter
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How do you think the buffalos were hunted befoe scoped rifles were available?
Charging up on horseback, shooting and then running away! 
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grandveneur
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How do you think the buffalos were hunted befoe scoped rifles were available?
Charging up on horseback, shooting and then running away!
Yes, indeed ! Or before, 20 hunters with bow's and a lot of arrow's, or javelin's : : 1 buffalos, 4/5 hunters killed and a lot of wounded heroes ! I prefere a scoped rifle !
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Matt_Graham
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Some of you guys are funny - trying to 'make it a challenge'... no need to do it with a bow...that's too easy!! Try doing it blindfolded, just relying on your other senses... now there's a real man's challenge.
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mikeh416Rigby
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On my next buffalo hunt I'm going in armed with just a pellet gun and a pocket knife. The pellet gun's just to get his attention and piss him off. 
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500Boswell
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A 375 H and H is better ,because you get better value for money for your hunt, you can shoot the buffalo 5 or 6 times before it falls over, unlike a 500 which might only take one shot and its dead and feels like a instant anti climax ,plus the PH can join in the fun like a Mark Sullivan video where they are both blazing away at a buffalo running which has no apparent effect on it with the legendary 375 H and H , you also get an exciting follow up on a wounded animal .It doessnt kick much ,easy to get ammo for ,and more fun ,if i can just find a Colt Sauer with two magazines then i will sell my 500
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Ripp
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On my next buffalo hunt I'm going in armed with just a pellet gun and a pocket knife. The pellet gun's just to get his attention and piss him off.
If you really want to piss him off, shoot him in the sack..and wait for the charge...
Ripp
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mikeh416Rigby
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On my next buffalo hunt I'm going in armed with just a pellet gun and a pocket knife. The pellet gun's just to get his attention and piss him off.
If you really want to piss him off, shoot him in the sack..and wait for the charge...
Ripp
If I had a shot at the sack, he'd be facing the wrong way for a charge. Unless of course he was REALLY hung.
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ajsaxin
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Well trust me the buffalo wouldnt be bothered if most of you "scoped" hunters are gonna shoot with no scopes ,I am sure you would be lucky if you did not hit your PH instead of the buffalos sac ,with out a scope 
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Shackleton
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Complaining about a scope in Africa is like complaining about using an AR15(in suitable caliber) or AR10 for deer-"Why hunt deer with a machine gun?"-It's not a machine gun, it's a simple semiauto, and "hunting capacity" 5 round magazines are available for both. If I ever get to hunt elk, I'll be using my M1-sure, it was originally designed for shooting Germans, but it's just a semiauto .30-06, a round that has probably killed several of everything on the planet.
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Mike_Bailey
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"it was originally designed for shooting Germans" ...not a hunting rifle then ? have some sense please !, best, Mike 
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Shackleton
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The point was it's the same caliber as one of the most popular bolt action deer rifles in the world. A war was on when the rifle was designed but that doesn't mean with suitable projectiles(expanding bullets and not full metal jacket) it can serve another purpose, and with a 5 round clip(yes, the M1 uses a clip) it can legally and ethically serve another purpose.
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JabaliHunter
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A 375 H and H is better ,because you get better value for money for your hunt, you can shoot the buffalo 5 or 6 times before it falls over
I think in this case the shooter might get better 'value' from a rifle range !
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Paul
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The point was it's the same caliber as one of the most popular bolt action deer rifles in the world. A war was on when the rifle was designed but that doesn't mean with suitable projectiles(expanding bullets and not full metal jacket) it can serve another purpose, and with a 5 round clip(yes, the M1 uses a clip) it can legally and ethically serve another purpose.
There's always a war on somewhere but I think the Garand was designed before WWII, possibly with no particular enemy identified - the USA tended to isolationism in those days.
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Mike_Bailey
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Exactly Paul, I believe the Garand was first sactioned as THE battle rifle of the USA in 1932, 9 years before the US entered the second WW. so the M1 while being designed as a military weapon was just that, why take it to hunt game ? though I am sure it will do the job.
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BlainSmipy
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Ruger #1, 458 Lott, should be fun enough. As a client you will never need to deal with a charge, as the PH will ALWAYS back you up. A bummer but the truth.
I will say, that if and when I go to Africa, I will insist on being at least within 50 yards of the buff before I take a shot. I will also only use a single or double with open sights. Otherwise, IMHO, its just shooting cows in a pen....that you had to hike 5 miles to get to.
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Mike_Bailey
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5 miles ????? Try again, best,Mike
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ozhunter
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As a client you will never need to deal with a charge, as the PH will ALWAYS back you up. A bummer but the truth.
I will say, that if and when I go to Africa,
Otherwise, IMHO, its just shooting cows in a pen....that you had to hike 5 miles to get to.
Oh yes???? You sure about that???
The second statement typically goes with the other two.
Sorry.
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NitroX
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If you really want to piss him off, shoot him in the sack..and wait for the charge...
An idiot friend did that once to a donkey, with a .22/250, but was aiming for its chest.  (we or he was young and stupid)
However the donkey did not charge ...
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MattieA
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"Dont' forget to let the animal decide how he's gonna die."
Funniest thing I've read on Nitroexpress!! I take it you're paraphrasing MS?
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