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Re: Baikal 45-70 vs 30-06 Qn for 400Nitroexpress?? [Re: bwananelson]
      #143771 - 16/10/09 01:01 AM

I've a friend who shoots 165gr. TSX in his 16X16 X 7x65R drilling. This rifle barrel is VERY thin from 1/2 way down to the muzzles - perhaps .060", yet the TSX's didn't damage the barrel one bit. This rifle puts 3 into 3/4" at 100 meters and has fired over 200 of them. Perhaps it's only a case of the German steel being considerably better than the steel used in English Doubles?

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Re: Baikal 45-70 vs 30-06 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #143776 - 16/10/09 03:10 AM

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500G:

Are you saying no solids {FMJ's} shouldn't be used at all?

Your previous post seemed to indicate the possible danger of using Woodleigh solids.





Woodleigh solids are steel-lined, do not obturate easily, and stress your double more than softs. If you need to use solids and decide to use Woodleighs, use as few of them as possible. Do like the regulators do - shoot 2 to see if they hit the target, then only use the solids in the heat of battle against a herd of charging elephants. The vast, vast majority if your shooting should be with Woodleigh softs, or monos which engrave easily on the rifling (i.e., TRUE driving band solids like NF and GS).

The above is of course IMO and others may have divergent viewpoints. When it is your $30K double on the line, you make the choice.

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Re: Baikal 45-70 vs 30-06 [Re: 500grains]
      #143781 - 16/10/09 07:07 AM

500grains, sorry for ignorance, NF and GS websites please, cheers, Mike

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Re: Baikal 45-70 vs 30-06 [Re: 500grains]
      #143782 - 16/10/09 07:39 AM




Woodleigh solids are steel-lined, do not obturate easily, and stress your double more than softs. If you need to use solids and decide to use Woodleighs, use as few of them as possible. Do like the regulators do - shoot 2 to see if they hit the target, then only use the solids in the heat of battle against a herd of charging elephants. The vast, vast majority if your shooting should be with Woodleigh softs, or monos which engrave easily on the rifling (i.e., TRUE driving band solids like NF and GS).

The above is of course IMO and others may have divergent viewpoints. When it is your $30K double on the line, you make the choice.




Woodleigh Solids are very slightly undersize to account for the fact they are made of steel.

And don't forget that the bullets are also tapered so only a small amount of the rear of the bullet is fully engaging the rifling (this applies to Soft's as well).

I don't shoot many but does anyone have a need to shoot many ?

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Re: Baikal 45-70 vs 30-06 [Re: 500Nitro]
      #143784 - 16/10/09 09:47 AM

45-70 or 30 06 both

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Re: Baikal 45-70 vs 30-06 [Re: bwananelson]
      #143990 - 20/10/09 06:47 AM

North Fork:

www.northforkbullets.com



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GS Custom:

www.gscustom.co.za

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Re: Baikal 45-70 vs 30-06 [Re: 500grains]
      #144118 - 22/10/09 02:27 PM

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post144117

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Re: Baikal 45-70 vs 30-06 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #144154 - 23/10/09 03:17 AM

Barnes might have been referring only to the 'solid' bullets being used, not all bullets.

How many hunters today use double rifles vs. how many use bolt guns.

I suspect the # of doubles is far less than bolts.

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Re: Baikal 45-70 vs 30-06 [Re: DarylS]
      #144155 - 23/10/09 03:34 AM

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Barnes might have been referring only to the 'solid' bullets being used, not all bullets.

How many hunters today use double rifles vs. how many use bolt guns.

I suspect the # of doubles is far less than bolts.




About 1 double to 5000 bolts

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Re: Baikal 45-70 vs 30-06 [Re: PBR]
      #144564 - 27/10/09 05:30 PM

Here is how my 30 06 is working out so far:
http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/760101804/m/6641090911

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