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mntrapper
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Laws in Australia
#14098 - 29/04/04 04:19 AM

Alright guys what are your restrictions on firearms down there. We hear stuff up here in North America but at least I really dont know what kind gun restrictions you guys have. So what are they?

Thanks A lot

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RLI
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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: mntrapper]
#14105 - 29/04/04 09:00 AM

mntrapper,
Well basically you can still own all types of firearms if you can get the right licence but since this is just about impossible for the average bloke you can use the following

Rimfires (no semi-autos)

Shotguns (No semi-autos or pump action )

Centrefire (No semi-autos)

Handguns (Range use only)

and all firearms have to be registered as I said before get the right licence you can own anything but the average shooter can get the above.
RLI

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mntrapper
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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: RLI]
#14108 - 29/04/04 10:20 AM

So what is the thought of outlawing pump shotguns?

I guess I can understand the thinking of banning semi autos

But I am wondering about pumps?

Thanks for any other info guys

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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: RLI]
#14110 - 29/04/04 11:34 AM

RLI

I had heard it was lever action shotguns, not pumps.

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NitroX
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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: mntrapper]
#14111 - 29/04/04 11:54 AM

In reply to:

So what is the thought of outlawing pump shotguns?

Politicians have been watching too much TV. Also just another category to ban. Maybe they didn't get the magic number to confiscate with just semi-auto shotguns.

RLI forgot to mentioned large calibre pistols are now almost totally banned ie above .38/9mm. Unless the shooter shoots competition in a sport which is competed in at the Olympic or Commonwealth Games.

Having said that so far I have never been turned down for a firearm application but have never tried to get a pistol but have had one firearm confiscated.

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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: mickey]
#14113 - 29/04/04 12:20 PM

Mick,
You can have lever action shotguns but not pumps, I actually own a Australian made lever its a ADI Lithgow , 12g 2-3/4, M1887, its a modern version of the Winchester 1887 lever but where as the Winchester is 2-1/2 the Australian version is 2-3/4 still new only 55 made.
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M82A1Barret50Cal
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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: RLI]
#14116 - 29/04/04 03:28 PM

This is the way I as I know it, correct me if I'm wrong...

Category A Licence:
Firearms allowd - Bolt, pump or lever action rimfire rifles
Requirements - Own or have access to a farm to hunt on

Category B Licence:
Firearms allowd - Bolt, pump or lever action centrefire rifles up to .77cal, break action or lever action (up to 8 bore) shotguns.
Requirement - Similar to above but these are slightly harder to get, still not difficult though.

Category C Licence:
Firearms allowd - Semi auto centrefire or rimfire rifles, pump action & Semi auto shotguns.
Requirements (not as sure on this one)- Must be primary producer (farmer). Not sure of the exact reqirement for this licence. Very hard to get.

Category H Licence:
Firearms allowd - Auto-loading pistols with a minimum barrel length of 120mm & revolvers with a minimum barrel length of 100mm. Maximum calibre of .38/9mm unless you are registered as a shooter of an event that requires larger, in this case you may own anything up to and including .45cal. It must also have a capacity of 10 rounds or less. Gun must not be used outside the target range on which it was registered for use.

There are also special licences that vetrinarians and primary producers may obtain for putting animals down. Any gun must be in a locked gun safe and the ammunition must be stored at least 5m away in a separate safe. If you wish to own anything bigger than .77 cal you must obtain a cannon licence...

M82A1

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Feel free to correct me on any mistakes and add in any other parts that I have forgotten...

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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: mntrapper]
#14123 - 29/04/04 10:35 PM

In reply to:

So what is the thought of outlawing pump shotguns?

As I understand it, in the rush to legislate in the wake of the Port Athur massacre, the issue of handgun bans was considered, but the Shooting Organisations objected because that would make running the Pistol Shooting events at the forthcoming Olympic Games difficult.

The Australian Government demanded a trade-off, and pump action shotguns were offered as the sacrificial lamb!

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mntrapper
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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: 470Rigby]
#14131 - 30/04/04 12:32 AM

Thanks guys for the replys. Like I had said earlyer that we hear things up here in North America but I was not 100 percent sure what the laws really were.

So now I have heard it derectly from the horses mouth and really know what the laws are roughly down there

Thanks once again

Andy

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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: M82A1Barret50Cal]
#14132 - 30/04/04 02:10 AM

The "uniform" national firearms laws are not really uniform at all. Except usually in what they ban. The actual detail can be quite different.

"Uniform" laws, the worst thing ever to happen in this country for firearm laws. Bring back a true "states rights" form of government and true "Federalism". So the nuts and socialists in NSW don't dictate to the rest of the country!

In reply to:

Category C Licence:
Firearms allowd - Semi auto centrefire or rimfire rifles, pump action & Semi auto shotguns.
Requirements (not as sure on this one)- Must be primary producer (farmer). Not sure of the exact reqirement for this licence. Very hard to get

This category is for rimfires and shotguns. I have a class C licence. Centrefires are prohibted except only in very exceptional circumstances and I believe a different class covers them.

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ammunition must be stored at least 5m away in a separate safe.

I believe this just is "a separate locked container". Never ever heard a "5 metre" requirement and does not have to be a safe. If this is the case in a particular state it is the first I have ever heard of a distance restriction.

Its important not to ADD to the already oppressive firearms laws.

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M82A1Barret50Cal
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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: NitroX]
#14166 - 30/04/04 03:51 PM

In reply to:

I believe this just is "a separate locked container". Never ever heard a "5 metre" requirement and does not have to be a safe. If this is the case in a particular state it is the first I have ever heard of a distance restriction.

My older sister who is a Melbourne cop told me that so it might be a state specific one or she might just be one of those people who like to make things harder for us gun owners...

M82A1

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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: M82A1Barret50Cal]
#14186 - 01/05/04 11:41 AM

I think while the GUILT TRIP was being layed on law abiding shooters after Port Arthur, by the Media ,the brain washed public and ''our politicians'', saw their chance to ban pump action shotguns ,while they were ''at it'' .Our shooting Association [like with pistols at the moment ]took this ''lying down '' and did nothing !!!!! so it was one more step to the ultimate goal of banning the private ownership of firearms in Australia.

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safari_hunter
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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: kos]
#14226 - 02/05/04 05:50 PM

kos,

the SSAA did everything they could to prevent the buyback in '96. At that time the late Ted Drane was speaking up for every shooter to the media on a daily basis. There were well over 100,000 people, just in Melbourne protesting against those draconian laws.

I do agree wiht you on the handgun buyback, the SSAA has done NOTHING. It really pisses me off because i'm a member of the SSAA and I beleive we need a much stronger organization to voice the concerns of all shooters.

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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: safari_hunter]
#14231 - 02/05/04 11:37 PM

Kos....

Our shooting organisations had it IN WRITING that there would be no major changes to gun-law policy without consultation.

The consultation - when it came - took the form of "This is what we are going to do, Like it or lump it."

We also had to put up with that useless arrogant "Two-Timing Tim" Fischer (who happened to be my local member) telling us to shut up or we'd lose everything.

In spite of that, the SSAA did a bloody lot of work, are still working,,,, and are one of the main reasons why you can still have ANY pistols AT ALL! In case you hadn't realised.. John Howard hates guns and does not want us to have ANY guns for recreational use. We have documentary evidence to the point that he was prepared to blackmail the states into following his personal prejudice.

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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: cooch]
#14232 - 03/05/04 02:01 AM

I think it's been said before and needs repeating;

Y'all need a REVOLUTION AND OVERTHROW THE TYRANTS.

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M82A1Barret50Cal
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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: 475Guy]
#14250 - 03/05/04 09:58 PM

The one that really got to me was the fact that little johnny said, and I quote
"The handgun buy back will not effect any of the professional shooters of Australia"...

Well encase you haven't noticed 3 out of the 5 IPSC events can no longer be held in Australia because we can't shoot anything over .38 and the minimum for the events is .40cal and they won't give it an exclusion!!! I agree with 475Guy, TIME FOR A REVOLUTION!!! :P

M82A1

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If you care about your guns please, I beg you, don't support John Howard in the up coming election

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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: M82A1Barret50Cal]
#14260 - 04/05/04 02:34 AM

M82

Unfortunately what choice is there?

I'll never vote for that little dictator. Unfortunately with our system his party still gets the vote if you don't want to vote socialist or greenie marxist (dumbocrats). What I do is vote for every small party "below the line". What good does it do though.

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M82A1Barret50Cal
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Re: Laws in Australia [Re: NitroX]
#14337 - 05/05/04 03:27 PM

Thankfully here in our electorate in the last federal election (my first as a voter) a supporter of us legal gun owners ran for government so that was a nice, easy choice for me. If the same bloke doesn't run this time, although I don't support their racist views, the one nation party does not support little johnny on his gun laws so I guess that's the next best choice. And anyone of a different race here in Australia, just so you know I despise racism in all it's forms but one nation will never pass any racist laws anyway so I don't see the harm in supporting their view on firearms.

M82A1

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