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7.62x39 - .311 vs .308
#139506 - 25/07/09 01:40 PM

I'm interested in buying a AIA M10A1 in 7.63x39 second hand. It reportedly has a .308 barrel. The seller has said you can shoot .311 ammo through it. I have lots of 7.62x39 ammo left over from when Johnny "Jackboot" Howard stole my SKS.

My question is can you shoot safely Chinese 7.62x39 (.311) ammo though a .308 bore?

(Yes I know the Chinese stuff is corrosive etc so no need to mention that)

http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/product.htm

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: NitroX]
#139507 - 25/07/09 01:45 PM

I'd slug the bore and see just what it is. It's only .03 though though and I do it in doubles so can't see why it wouldn't be OK in a bolt gun.

Unusual that they have a .308 bore though.

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: 500Nitro]
#139508 - 25/07/09 01:58 PM

Some commercial {Ruger} rifles have been made with .308 groove bbls and chambers with neck relief for safe firing of .310 standard 7.62x39 ammo. Tolerance being what it is, the safety feature to be most concerned with here is chamber neck relief.

The 7.62x39 is a very accurate round. We used a CZ527 for some years and shot coyotes, grounds squirrels, stray dogs and deer with it. If you've never hunted with it and decide to, you might be surprised how lethal the round is with sp ammo. Great deer round.

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: 9.3x57]
#139509 - 25/07/09 02:02 PM

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If you've never hunted with it ....

I used to shoot goats with my SKS with it. Quite crappy really, but lots of fun, especially spraying from the hip. Shooting plastic bottles filled with water, would blast off 60 rounds very quickly, where shooting 20 from my .30-06 would fill the whole afternoon.

Unfortunately those days are over. But still have 3 cases of ammo, for which I one day would like to source a rifle to shoot it through.

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: NitroX]
#139510 - 25/07/09 02:06 PM

John

As per PM, get a Ruger "Paddlestock" in 762 x 39.

Much better quality gun and not too expensive if you
pick on up Second hand.

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: 500Nitro]
#139511 - 25/07/09 02:17 PM

Well they have .308 barrels as well. So same question, as to shooting .311 steel jacketed ammo through a .308 bore.

It seems to be regarded as OK, depending on 9.3's comment regarding "chamber neck relief".

I actually like the old SMLE lines of the AIA's and don't particularly like the Ruger's. However both would be an option.

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: NitroX]
#139515 - 25/07/09 03:14 PM

Would offer to you to find marking of the Russian rifle of SKS in such variant OP SKS - Russian letters OP - Russian letters OP - mean a hunting commercial carbine SKS.
I can say simply, that to "beat" - to put to death from 100 meters a wild boar or within the limits of 100m. - 300m. - bobac it is not what that surprising . Think, that gross weight of booty on hunt can be varied from 150 kg. to 250 kg..
In relation to China is the Chinese production of SKS always worse and there is not original SKS, which was produced in Russia.
P.S.
7.62X39 (A cost of this cartridge is in Lugansk 0.3$ for one thing).
http://www.krechet.in.ua/catalog/category_264/producer_%CB%F3%E3%E0%ED%F1%EA%E8%E5/

You will be able these cartridges to shoot even from Chinese.
I give a producer to you:
Make attempt contact with the Lugansk cartridge factory (LCW)
PODKOPAEV SERGIY, Chief of Export Control Department
Tel.: +38(0642)93-32-09, +38(0642)71-88-28
Tel./fax: +38(0642)71-88-28, +38(0642)71-91-27
e-mail: lpzexport@mail.ru

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: kaizer2007]
#139518 - 25/07/09 03:59 PM

John:

Ruger never stipulated .308 bullets in Ruger rifles. The chamber dimensions were, IIRC sized for adequate relief of military bullets. I believe CE Harris addressed this very issue years ago when Ruger released their first 7.62x39.

By "crappy" do you mean the SKS {I agree} or the round {I don't agree

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: 9.3x57]
#139521 - 25/07/09 04:53 PM

I hope that Russians of SKS maintain maximal pressure of gunpowder gases on the standard of CIP
3550 Bar.

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: kaizer2007]
#139527 - 25/07/09 08:52 PM

John,
Ain't cheap ... but there's a Sako 7.62x39 (scoped) locally for around the $1700 mark. I can make further enquiries if your interested.
Cheers...
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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: Con]
#139528 - 25/07/09 09:19 PM

whats wrong in australia now? dont you trust the old enfield action that serve you in two world wars anymore?
cant imagine that this firm dont make the enfield sporter(looks good btw) for shooting also cheap milsurp ammo.
its a very nice dandy carbine and remember me on the short mannlicher schönauer stutzen, let the sks semi autos for the plebs. if you need an auto rifle, there are remington Mod 8 and winchester 1910 around.

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: lancaster]
#139535 - 25/07/09 11:00 PM

"lancaster" - It can be I not right understood this Your expression relative "plebs" ,
-"... let the sks semi autos for the plebs..."?
It is good to be in Rome Patricius .... Do you itself attribute to them?
Then, that you will say about thousands of Americans led away by the rifles of SKS, Mosin ,SVT ,SVD ?

http://mosinnagant.net/
http://sksboards.com/
http://yooperj.com/
http://gunsnet.net/
http://falfiles.com/
http://forums.gunboards.com/

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: kaizer2007]
#139537 - 25/07/09 11:22 PM

caesar07, dont get it wrong about russian milsurp, I have also a mosin sporting rifle future project.
let me explain you the world of guns in a short way. there are military rifles, also being military rifles when obsolete, a class of its own. then you have plain working guns, gentleman guns(what this forum is about)and something between this. a special group of gunnuts is attracted by automatic rifles with big magazines, many of them have bubba intentions and handle guns like they see it in computer games. this is in fact the gun plebs! its not that you cant grow out of this group by educate youself to a higher taste.
I also know that the sks carbine doing a good work in the hand of many russian hunters every day.I see a working gun( also when milsurp)as what it is, a tool. two weeks ago I handle an old Remington Mod. 8 in .35 Rem, that is a differnt world, of course.

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: lancaster]
#139546 - 25/07/09 11:57 PM

I always value a humour "lancaster".
I understand also, that good taste it as good Calvados, Whisky, good car of,- in final analysis it as good pedigree WOMAN - we naturally must aspire to the best .
Well will say as Neil Alden Armstrong on Moon or Gagarin in space.
I understand that Your speech about good dear rifles is aspiration ....
However there is the old Russian proverb :"The old horse of furrow will not spoil" - I talk it about SKS.
I hope you agree with that every rifle is intended for the CONCRETE AIMS

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: kaizer2007]
#139570 - 26/07/09 10:27 AM

John,
I have heard the AIA 7.62x39 can have magazine feeding issues, I would look at a CZ 527 in 7.62x39 or if you can find one a Vektor pump action.

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: RLI]
#139574 - 26/07/09 12:43 PM

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John,
I have heard the AIA 7.62x39 can have magazine feeding issues, I would look at a CZ 527 in 7.62x39

YIKES!!!!!

That is why I got rid of the 527.

There is an engineering flaw in the 527. If you have one that feeds, keep it. Some DON'T.

Like the one I had, now gone...

Too bad, too, as the gun otherwise was one of the nicest rifles I've ever owned.

That one flaw sent it packin' tho.

Can't have a ranch rifle that loses a stock-chasin' worthless dog............

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: 9.3x57]
#139631 - 27/07/09 12:11 PM

G'Day John,

I can't help you with the bore groove diameter of a AIA in 7.62 x 39 (M43). But as the owner of a meter of stacked cases of this ammo, I know how you feel.
In my experience, the biggest problem is- does the AIA barrel have a Chrome Lined Bore?
The Chinese ex-mil ammo is loaded with a Copper-Washed, Steel Jacketed bullet that is very hard on any bore without a chrome lining!

I figure that AIA should/would have sorted any bore diameter problems out, so just buy one and shoot it. In the past (pre 1996), I had used both .308 and ,311" 125gn bullets in my SKS and AK and they shot very well, though the SKS shot better groups.
The bore dia on my SKS was actually - 0.314" but even with this, it would still shoot 1 1/2" groups with the factory open sights at 100Meters, with the above ex-mil ammo.
This rifle/ ex-mil ammo combo, was The Best Pig Shooting Rifle (for tally shooting), that I have ever owned and or used!!!

I was looking at an AIA in .308 on Saturday and apart from the weight (very dense and heavy Teak stock wood), they are a very well made (Vietnamese) firearm.

John, the only feeding problems that I have heard of with these rifles, was with the .223Rem/5.56 NATO versions but if I remember correctly, they don't offer them in this caliber, any more!

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Re: 7.62x39 - .311 vs .308 [Re: RLI]
#140621 - 15/08/09 12:23 PM

Heard the same thing RLI, agree re the BRNO, shot one a while back nice handy little rifle, better
looking and cheaper than the rehashed lithgow imo.

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