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Tatume
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Re: How I clean Barrels [Re: CptCurl]
      #138444 - 04/07/09 09:22 PM

Hi Curl,

You're right, it's an interesting discussion. But Krieger offers a hypothesis that sounds good, without any experimental evidence. If a consensus of shooters supported the hypothesis that the Earth is warming due to anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions, that wouldn't make it so. Neither does it convince me that breaking in a barrel does any good.

Mind you, I do not take the position that break-in procedures do no good. My position is that there is no evidence that it does so. I am unconvinced either way.

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Re: How I clean Barrels [Re: CptCurl]
      #138448 - 04/07/09 10:39 PM

Thanks Guys,
I expected to get flamed on this one - interesting to hear there is some divergence of opinion.

Breakers-in will be happy to know my new Heym .450/.400 has had the clean-every-shot procedure so far except when I shot a sambar with it, when I delivered the coup de grace straight away.

So far it's fired about 16 shots.

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Re: How I clean Barrels [Re: Paul]
      #138450 - 04/07/09 11:35 PM

Interesting, Tom - concerning breakin- good or not worth while. It's kind of like the scenario of brush or don't brush - there are champions on both sides - kind of like what makes a good deer rifle and what doesn't - exits or bullet remaining inside the animal.
As to brushing, I find all fouling is removed without brushing - maybe a bore scope would prove me wrong - don't know. I do like to fire 300 to 600 rounds without having to clean (BR shooters cringe at this) with velcoities in the AB and AH runing 3,900fps to 4,150fps.

As to cleaning back to steel after 5, 10 or 20 shots, eventually, the bore becomes 'broken in' as Curl notes.

Break-in with shoot/clean, shoot/clean with a hunting rifle? I couldn't be bottered and yet most of my hunting rifles will stay around or beneath 1/2MOA with good wind condtions. 30 years ago, with the bullets available then, this wasn't the case, yet with the norm of 1" or 1 1/2" they had enough available accuracy to consistantly kill deer, elk or moose at extended ranges - my limit is 300 - thankfully, haven't had to shoot that far - ever.

If your bore fouls excessively, the break-in noted by many here, shoot/clean back to steel, shoot/clean back to steel can be done at any time. It's just damned difficult to get back to steel if 10 or 50 shots have been fired without cleaning. The buildup of metal fouling requires long sessions with solvents, brush and patches & this 'heavy' cleaning, I feel, is where many crowns and chamber thraots are worn due to the use of commercial chamber guides or non-use of guides altogether.

A guide that stops at the the chamber mouth (case head area) merely gives the illusion of protecting the chamber. The throat is the area that needs to be protected, not the chamber's mouth(although a groove there isn't good). I build my own guides for each rifle that sees a lot of ammo, using a case that fits the chamber and chamber's neck.

Wipe Out has made most of these redundant as a quick spray, left to sit overnight, muzzle slightly down, then a patch through in the morning leaves a clean bore, yet not finished. I now run a patch with kroil or other oil bearning solvent through the bore, then patch that out with 2 sticker patches that fall off at the muzzle. NOW the barrel is ready for storage or for shooting.

One rifle bore of mine needed 2 nights of soaking with Wipe-Out to get all the guilding metal out - a 1929 Husky 9.3x57 with a 'good' bore. It's perfectly clean now, but still fouls easily, yet the accuracy remains the same, fouled or clean - never changing - always under 1" with any bullet weight from 232gr. to 300gr. - What a rifle!

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Re: How I clean Barrels [Re: DarylS]
      #138501 - 05/07/09 05:00 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Thank you for your input into this discussion.

I suppose I should have stated that I was referring to Factory barrels, at some time during this thread. I have also applied my standard cleaning procedure to hand lapped, Match grade barrels from Maddco and Tobler (both Australian). These are fitted to my own personal rifles.
The Maddco is in .22-250 AI and the Tobler, is in .308 Win. Both these rifles, shoot better than I can but they both initially used to copper foul from new. They now don't easily copper foul.
With the .308, in my attempt to get it to shoot the usual 1/2" to 5/8" groups, with the original Barnes X bullets, I once fired more than 30 shots straight with out cleaning. I eventually figured out that to get these bullets to shoot to what was usual for this rifle, I had to seat the bullets out to touch the rifling. Prior to this it was 4" 3 shot groups at 100 meters!
Anyway, when it came time to clean the barrel of this .308, I was surprised that there was virtually no copper fouling!

So, I just keep running them all in and cleaning them, as usual.

And I believe that, what ever works for you, Do It!

The original reason that I posted this, was to let others know, How I Do It.

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Re: How I clean Barrels [Re: Tatume]
      #138510 - 05/07/09 09:22 PM

Quote:

Mind you, I do not take the position that break-in procedures do no good. My position is that there is no evidence that it does so. I am unconvinced either way.




Tom,

That's my position and belief as well.

I posted the Kreiger comments simply to air the thoughts expressed there, not to endorse their theory.

I don't have enough spare time on my hands to do the shoot one and clean ritual. It's kinda like trying to pick fly shit out of the pepper.

I've seen no ill effects with my rifles.

Curl

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Re: How I clean Barrels [Re: CptCurl]
      #139547 - 26/07/09 12:13 AM

I do a lot of match shooting--200, 300, and 600 yards--.223, 6XC, .308, and one 30-06.

As far as I'm concerned and have noticed, most cleaning "rituals" are a waste of time.

I never break in barrels, just shoot and clean when I get home. I clean with two patches of Butch's Bore Shine (there are about 20 or so concoctions probably equally as good), followed by one dry patch and one patch of Hoppe's #9 to protect the bore. I wait about five minutes between patches.

I never use a bronze brush but let the chemical action work. Exception: After several hundred shots, I use JB Bore paste on a bronze brush. Amazing what gunk comes out of a "clean" barrel.

Another old wives tale is the "need" to dry out the bore before shooting. Our 600 yard matches have 5 sighter shots preceeeding the record shots. On several occasions I have fired all five in the X ring, noticing no change of impact in the first shot with the Hoppe's in the barrel. (The first record shot is often a 9 but that's another story!)

If I see a bit of copper in the bore, so what?

Now for big bores, I generally use the same procedure. In Africa I do not clean the bore for the whole trip, but only when I get home. Sometimes I use one of the foams. It's less messy than trying to get it in the barrel of a small bore.


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