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Ndumo
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Super springbok
#135939 - 22/05/09 05:48 PM

I think the springbok is a very under-rated, beutiful little antilope, and there is a reason it was chosen as RSA's national animal. we hunted this one earlier in the week, and it reminded me how pretty they where. What do you think of the pose?

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Re: Super springbok [Re: Ndumo]
#135942 - 22/05/09 07:14 PM

Sure is a little beauty.

Von Gruff.

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Re: Super springbok [Re: VonGruff]
#135943 - 22/05/09 07:17 PM

Very, very nice.

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Re: Super springbok [Re: tophet1]
#135945 - 22/05/09 07:55 PM

I hadn't realised they got that big. Must put one on the list if I ever get over your way.

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Ndumo
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Re: Super springbok [Re: Paul]
#135947 - 22/05/09 09:06 PM

Paul, they rarely get this big in South Africa, where most are hunted. They do get this big and bigger here in Namibia though. for interest sake, he measured 16.25 inches, and we shot another one about 2 h later that measured 15.25 inches.
Here's a photo of the 2nd one:

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Re: Super springbok [Re: Ndumo]
#135948 - 22/05/09 10:40 PM

Karl, fabulous animals, and I really like the animal's position. Very nice!! And they would be impressive even if the hunter wasn't sitting a mile behind them. In fact, more impressive...

Since you ask, you bring up a very good issue I've been wanting to discuss for a while.

I am personally not too much of a fan of the "standard" positioning of the hunter "somewhere behind" the animal. It seems this has become "essential" anymore and the reason I do not care for it is that it eliminates the true perspective of size that comes from placing the hunter next to or truly right behind the animal.

I'm certain many hunters insist on getting about a football pitch behind the animal in an attempt to make the critter look bigger, but IMO it only makes the animal look smaller as it is so obvious a "ploy" that it erases my ability to actually judge the trophy size in the picture. In fact, now as soon as I see the hunter far away yonder behind the critter, my mind "shortens the horns" so-to-speak.

I admit I am a realist in this stuff, sort of. I really like the old-timey pic's of a hunter standing over, sitting on, holding the horns or sitting next to the animal, almost downplaying the trophy/horn size. The old pictures paint a picture of the hunt that the new, standard, "trophy-inflating" behind-pose doesn't.

I also admit I am not much of a trophy hunter, meaning, I am not overly impressed with big horns unless they really are big, and the whoppers are whoppers whether a fellow is lying on top of the animal, sitting in front of it, or hiding in the weeds out of view.

Thanks for some great pics, fine animals, and a very interesting topic.

What do others think??

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Re: Super springbok [Re: 9.3x57]
#135952 - 22/05/09 11:35 PM

I simply see it as a transmission of focus to quarry, that jumps out to first plan - gives the main stress to the animal - hunter in the background is present but more as a person that's invited than someone who wants to prove something - beside I have always liked frontal animal composition as seen on old East African pics - I like it.

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Ndumo
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Re: Super springbok [Re: 93mouse]
#135965 - 23/05/09 12:30 AM

I have to agree with 93mouse, I think the focus should be the animal, whether its huge or not. The hunter should be no more than an arm's length away, however, so that he remains "in focus" and not totally blurry. In both these photos the hunter where less than 25 cm (10 inches away from the animal, but because of the angle, it look far behind. Another thing, if a springbok is not posed like that, it can be hard to see the back curl of the horn, something I personally find very desirable in trophy springbok.

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Re: Super springbok [Re: Ndumo]
#135966 - 23/05/09 12:58 AM

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but because of the angle, it look far behind.

The pose of the animal looks great to me, but your statement here makes my point exactly. To me the hunter juxtaposition "confuses" the picture to me.

I agree the animal is the subject, but the overall perspective of the placement of the hunter takes away from the animal to me, when the hunter is or looks like he is off in space somewhere behind and where his position makes judgment of the actual size of the animal more difficult.

Just my $.02.

Interesting posts.

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Re: Super springbok [Re: 9.3x57]
#136021 - 24/05/09 12:13 AM

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I also admit I am not much of a trophy hunter, meaning, I am not overly impressed with big horns unless they really are big, and the whoppers are whoppers whether a fellow is lying on top of the animal, sitting in front of it, or hiding in the weeds out of view.

Thanks for some great pics, fine animals, and a very interesting topic.

What do others think??

Agree, in todays world, the photos of someone actually holding the animal is more and more rare...seen it recently in I believe PETERSON'S HUNTING where a guy had shot a grizzly..it was a flippin dink..but he was wwaaaaaayyyy behind it during the photo and proceeded telling in his story of the "large" female he had taken...I have always thought of this writer as a blow hole and his latest story did nothing more than prove my point...

Unlike your statement 9.3, I am a trophy hunter of sorts, but will NOT skew the photos to make them look bigger..at least not on purpose...but have seen others heading for the next county line when getting behind their game for the "team photo"...have never really understood that mentality. If the animal was not that big and your ARE a trophy hunter, why did you shoot it...I am sure it wouldn't be because someone isn't that good of a hunter and just shot something so they can take a photo to brag to their friends back at the office...

naaaahhh, what was I thinking...

Ripp

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Re: Super springbok [Re: Ripp]
#136168 - 26/05/09 07:45 PM

Beautiful Sir, I love looking at Springbok and Impala, so graceful, best Mike

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Re: Super springbok [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#137121 - 11/06/09 06:30 AM

Karl,
Beautiful animals I hope to take one in the next year or two. Great poses for the animal as well.

Michael J

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Re: Super springbok [Re: michaelj]
#137144 - 11/06/09 12:32 PM

q:

In both these photos the hunter where less than 25 cm (10 inches away from the animal, but because of the angle, it look far behind.Eq:

that first pic...surely the animal is longer than the distance given for the hunter behind?

9.3x57 I agree with you totally on this...it irks me to see the hunter down the back in game pics. I am a traditionalist too and like to see the hunter "up there" with the antlers,horns,teeth etc

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Re: Super springbok [Re: gryphon]
#137152 - 11/06/09 01:42 PM

Photos like that can add perspective to the animal. I like the first one especially. I would probably like to take some traditional photos, ie right up behind, but some of these are also great as they give proper attention to the trophy, close up ad filling the photo with the hunter behind so he can also be part of the shot, but not dominate it.

If a human was right behind the head of a springbok he would fill the photo instead and the hunter would have this "tiny" head at the bottom.

These photos are nice to give the perspective to the animal.

I agree that it is silly to purposely sit back just to make a trophy look "bigger" and it doesn't fool many.

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Re: Super springbok [Re: gryphon]
#137157 - 11/06/09 02:52 PM

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that first pic...surely the animal is longer than the distance given for the hunter behind?

gryphon, in that first pic, the hunter could actually touch the springbok's rump with his chin if he just bend down more.

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Re: Super springbok [Re: Ndumo]
#137160 - 11/06/09 07:24 PM

Ndumo

Thats what i was getting at,meaning he is a long way well whatever the length of the ram is from the horns themselves which are of course the focal point. IE way more than 10 inches from the horns.

As a trad bloke with game pics it is way too far for me...nothing from the ram he`s a beaut,just talking about photo stuff only.

I do believe the hunter should be on the same plane as the trophy`s high points whether antlers,horns etc where possible.

Imagine a pic of a bloke with his chin at a rhino`s rump hahaa...be like a Kenworth at Ayers Rock.

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Re: Super springbok [Re: gryphon]
#137250 - 14/06/09 07:02 AM

Nice poses! I must admit that the way they are made, it might give the wrong "picture" of the trophy, but I would be pleased with them anyway. Personally I might have taken a more "standard" trophy picture, which gives those who look at it a impression of the animal size etc. BUT I might as well have made the pose at it was here, but without the hunter. For me this pictures show some of the character of the springbuck. To place the hunter in the picture is difficult and might as well be left out. Hang two pictures on the wall instead of one, and voila....problem solved!

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Re: Super springbok [Re: Litespeed]
#137259 - 14/06/09 08:43 AM

Interesting discussion and one which I've never really though much about when taking photos of trophy animals or just animals after a good hunt. Posted a link in the Mauser photo forum under Mauser 404 with a photo in which I'm propping up a buffalo head as best I could. This one shows how the animal can look small. In actual fact it was a large animal downed in the fairly soft grass area and my 6' frame standing over it. I enjoyed the hunt and the shot so I suppose that's all that matters.

Generally I've had to "self" photograph most of the time while holding up the head of an animal or crouching beside the head area.

Each to his own I guess but great photos Karl, I wouldn't say no to sitting next to them anywhere.

Cheers.

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