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gryphon
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Rolled him last light last night
      #135199 - 12/05/09 08:52 PM

got a pic of him then let him have one from the old 7 mm mag



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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: gryphon]
      #135200 - 12/05/09 09:07 PM

WOW, a peach, well batted, best, Mike

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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #135204 - 12/05/09 10:02 PM

Nice bull, Gryphon!

Lots of good meals, too.

Can't see the terrain. What sort of ranges do you shoot them at, thick cover, or open meadows, etc?? What sort of strategy, do you bugle them in, or shoot from a stand or what?

Thanks for posting. Reminds me a bit of home here {wapiti/elk}.

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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: 9.3x57]
      #135237 - 13/05/09 04:45 AM

He was a two kilometre walk in from my ute and although i hadnt seen this stag previously i had been photographing quite a few hinds,calves and spikeys in that place,a terrible place of tea-tree cover interspersed with heavy bush...a real strong hold for cover loving sambar that a hunter cant get into so it was a wait and see session,one of many many such sessions.Usually waiting for the deer to come out into the clearing means a wait in vain.
Private property farmland behind him is a no go zone and that farm fence is 2 miles from a road.The deer just go where they want.

This stag appeared only 10 mins before last light and I will include a pic of him taken 30 seconds before the shot. There was no way through the camera or naked eye that you could tell he was a fine stag until I lifted my Swaro 10 x 42 binos up.

Using a Zeiss scope made seeing the aiming point a lot easier also.

And yes this is the same stag in the next pic.One after that is a mix of spikeys/hinds.

This is NOT the big fella I have been hunting for three seasons now.





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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: gryphon]
      #135245 - 13/05/09 08:18 AM


Gryphon,

Well done, superb stag.

You must be happy all those sessions have paid off.


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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: 500Nitro]
      #135247 - 13/05/09 11:26 AM

Even if he is not "your BIG fella", he is a magnificient animal. A nice wide trophy. Well done.

Has he been rutting?

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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: NitroX]
      #135263 - 13/05/09 01:46 PM

Well done, Gryphon.
It would seem guys like you and Errol Mason are leaving the assumptions of the last generation of deerhunters behind.

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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: Paul]
      #135269 - 13/05/09 03:32 PM

Thank you for kind comments fellas.

JH no he hasnt been rutting,not even wallowing,hes just rubbed out actually and there being two spikeys in that mob pictured and if he was rutting they wouldnt be within cooee mate,he would have skewered them otherwise.

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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: gryphon]
      #135306 - 13/05/09 11:36 PM

NICE!!!
Though Douglas score may have (unreasonably) penalised him a bit for spread, maybe 204DS?. Good stuff!!


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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: kamilaroi]
      #135331 - 14/05/09 04:33 AM

No, DS wise he wouldnt get anywhere near that at all...dosent matter of course..he`s cactus...and on the wall!

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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: gryphon]
      #135338 - 14/05/09 08:29 AM

Once again Gryph - great stag!

Serious question... are the top wires on the fence to try to hold the deer out of the private property? Just wondering?

Is that common in places? Would be a pretty good idea to try to hold them back a bit.... dont know how well it would work though??

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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #135358 - 14/05/09 12:56 PM

Just for you Matt I took a section of a pic,just for you to show you how serious your question is to me going on the past record of communications between us......

Being a lad from the country you would know that the rabbit netting is 900mm high then there are a couple of plain wires to top it off, its just a STANDARD farm fence that looks higher as the tripod is set low down,it probably is just four feet high...in all truth that stag wouldnt even drag his dick on the fkn top wire and the last time he would have would have been when he first jumped it as a calf something like 8-10 years ago!

Note the pic title

oops I came back in to edit that these deer dont jump fences they simply step over them,true.



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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: gryphon]
      #135360 - 14/05/09 01:22 PM

Quote:

JH no he hasnt been rutting,not even wallowing,...





Just looks a bit dirty in the crutch.

Gryph,

I thought the fence in the background (obviously not deer proof) and night photo was funny. Sure it would get some comments in some places.

My one and only cape buffalo has photos taken of it by flash as well, (and using some crappy film I bought in Zim where half the exposure is stuff on half of them) as it was shot right before dark. My first warthog was shot on dark and flash used again, and probably some others. I think every deer (trophy) I have shot has been shot in the mornings!




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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: NitroX]
      #135362 - 14/05/09 01:31 PM


Gryph

The deer in SA literally jump 7 - 8 foot + fences in one single bound. I think one of the fences is 9ft and that doesn't keep the deer out of where we are.

I sometimes wonder of even a 12 ft fence would hold them
back from someone else's property !!!

Anyway, well done again, that is tops.


And I'm not buying into the "other" discussion on fences !!!


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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: 500Nitro]
      #135380 - 14/05/09 07:00 PM

I rough drafted this the next arvo/evening so any refs to times are applicable to Tuesday the day after.

A couple of times through the last week I had it in mind to go for another look at where I had been seeing a few deer,its a tough place to get into with a real dog of a steep hill and several tricky spurs and saddles that keep the hunter guessing as to which way the wind is going to eventuate from. A south wind actually turns into a northerly in this place and I have been attacking it at all angles for several seasons now in the hope I may run into the big fella that I had taken some long shot photo`s of and even had my Danish mate set his trigger on, a chance that he had but blew!

A brief account of this incident was how I had asked the Dane to have the bolt up on my .300 Win Mag Sako rifle as he walked with but mainly behind me on narrow tracks through the bush and as a result of that procedure whilst waiting late one evening when a big sambar stag stepped out of the cover the Dane actually squeezed off on him,oh yes that stag was gone for all money but the Dane hadnt pushed the bolt ALL the way down and as a result of this the rifle wouldnt fire and by the time he worked out that it wasnt the safety on etc the stag stepped into cover to be swallowed up out of sight.

I had seen the big fella four evenings earlier again with the Dane and as the stag preached I remarked "geezus he has shoulders as wide as a fridge" I was looking through 10x Swaro`s but Jan had a 2-7 Leupold and it was in such poor light that only the Swaro`s could sight him,as my mate said 'if i could have told which end of him was which I would have shot him'

Having climbed this dog of a hill countless times previously I actually talked myself out of going on a few days as it was going to be another pain climbing that bloody hill again. The weekend gone had been spent busying myself with other matters and then being probably somewhat refreshed I took a punt on a Monday evening hunt,a hunt that involves stalking through 1/2 a click of heavily treed bottom country followed by a straight up climb to where I have seen sambar deer come out warily late in the day,sometimes at four pm sometimes two minutes before dark but many times the trek has been made to see nothing at all making me wonder if that wind in my face was lifting elsewhere.Also making me wonder wtf I was doing there again!

2009 is the third season hunting for him in all sorts of weather A.M and P.M and with all sorts of aches and pains to go with it mostly with nothing to show for it except for at times a reasonable photo now and then of a deer or two or sometimes a rewarding encounter of a hind and calf pair.
Last night was one of the same,a stealthy climb in wearing far too many clothes for climbing but needed for the long cold motionless wait sitting behind a camera mounted on its tripod with the old 7mm magnum within easy reach. A large fallen black wattle limb with a well spread crown provided the important backdrop for my cover.

Looking up into the basin of patchy green feed for the umpteenth time after what seemed to be forever I saw a dark shape flash through sky lined foliage of a large gum however this was 100 metres from the open window of feed that was chosen as my photo window. I muttered to myself from boredom that it was probably a ` fkn roo but continued glassing and then through the foliage saw the fully erect tail of a deer on the skyline. It`s owner was heading left across the skyline towards the bush clearing and I then saw that it was a hind with a large calf.

Watching as they fed across and above me and knowing from having ranged that place previously that arvo that they were 180 yards above me on a probable 50-60 degree angle I thought again that it would be always a tough shot if taken quickly if or whenever a stag presented itself. Like when is that ever gonna happen?

Six deer fed out from their stronghold of very heavy cover,impenetrable cover unless on one`s hands knee`s,then another spikey came into view,both were in velvet though two other spikey`s I had seen in the area were rubbed out. I continued taking photographs knowing that light conditions were getting worse and worse but as the animals were silhouetted they at least gave me a chance to take a photo record of them.

Then number eight came into view,head down feeding across the steep slope. I knew he was a stag by his body shape but couldnt see much in the LCD camera screen of his antlers so I lifted my bino`s up and straight away saw his shorter left brow then his other brow around 14" but his beams and tops were tough to make out against the dark hill back dropped by the late afternoon sky.

Taking one photo knowing it would end up as a poor result I viewed him again through the bino`s then he swung his head and it was an almost audible thought as i said to myself "shit he`s a fucking wide one".

Silently slipping the camera from the tripod I lifted the rifle while screwing the power of the Zeiss scope up at the same time and placed it on the tripod top,slipped the safety off,dropped the cross hairs onto his shoulder and allowing for the hill angle I squeezed off. Those Zeiss are worth the dough!

Geezuz all hell broke loose,sambar deer went every where,left,right,down and up. Two stopped close by me,they were only seen in my peripheral vision as my eyes were focused on the stag and they obviously didnt know which way to bolt.
Immediately on the shot he had lifted his front left leg and raced to my left across the hill. His tail was fully erect showing the sign of a hard hit and then to my surprise he went straight up the very steep slope where he topped the hill and folded,all this in seconds of course.

After gathering my gear and climbing the steep slope I had sweat cascading down my face until topping the crest into the welcome cooling relief of the breeze I saw the antler sticking up against the evening light.Always a relief to see them dead in front of you.

I had a quick appraisal and thought 'yep he`ll do'

Knowing dark was imminent I took the obligatory photos although with the aid of a flash unit and then making up my mind to head skin and cape him out there and then under my "battery questionable " head lamp I got stuck into him. Then disaster! Placing my Green River skinning knife on the leafy carpet after an initial cut and prior to rolling the stag I simply couldn't find it after the roll over,frig it!


Rustling around in my day pack I pulled my old Buck pocket knife out and did the job with it using the occasional stripe on the mini diamond steel to negate the dulling effects of the stags hide. Finally the task was done under the dimming headlight and all the time wishing the bloody moon would hurry up and lift higher I gathered my gear along with the antlers and with the cape draped across my neck walked back to my ute in the now silver moonlight arriving just before 8 PM.

After ringing DB as the chosen taxidermist a quick trip was arranged for the cape`s transfer as at that time I could not be bothered doing ears and lips nor did I have the time in the morning with it as it was geared up for work and the meat recovery. Truth be known I was rooted!

Next day (today) was set for the main meat retrieval and arriving in heavy fog and the dark the climb was made to the stag. I had placed a very sweaty tee shirt over him the evening before to dissuade any foxes from chomping on the meat and it worked well as I saw a fox coming from near him but nothing had been touched,not even the fat covered paunch,usually choice pickings for foxes.

A full back strap was rolled into a piece of clean old bed sheet and one complete hind quarter tied to my pack frame and after a knee jarring trip out stopping only for a quick turn around drink at the ute the same was done again. Both knees threatened to give out on the second trip as it really was a steep slope and there was no thought of another trip even for dog tucker unfortunately.



I was home at 9 am and after hanging the meat the work boots were pulled on and I got stuck into it for the rest of the day,sore thighs,shoulders and sore knees certainly provided welcome memories of my hunt.

A rough measure has the longest antler at a tad under 30 with a 35 inch width,an official scorer may just be able to squeeze the couple of 1/8ths out of the tape needed to get him to the magical 30 inch mark,doesn't matter does it if he wont get there,I`m happy enough.

Win mod 70 7mm mag using a 150 grain SP factory pill did the job.

He isnt the big fella either.

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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: gryphon]
      #135585 - 18/05/09 02:50 PM

Well done Gryphon you deserve this stag I know the amount of time you spend in the bush looking for Sambar Deer.

Hey Matt Graham you should know all about fence types for animals and how to keep them in you offer pen hunts don't you in Watervalley ????


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Re: Rolled him last light last night [Re: Rono]
      #136399 - 30/05/09 12:27 PM

That is one hell of a stage well done Gryph,

I hope that we get another instalment soon with the 'big fella'falling to the 7mm.

Great to see,

MOG


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