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Caprivi
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A Hangable offense
      #133419 - 25/04/09 07:06 AM

Check the recoil pad. Thou the price is right.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/James-Woodward-Double-Rifle-303-British.cfm?gun_id=100082989

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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: Caprivi]
      #133422 - 25/04/09 07:12 AM



Nice gun though.

Why the price do you think ?


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: Caprivi]
      #133423 - 25/04/09 07:15 AM

I have been looking at this one a LOT!!
Somebody grab it - I don't know if I can resist much longer.
Super high quality - nothing goofed with that can't be put right (even rear scope mount) - sounds like a real shooter too.
For $15K! Good deal IMO.
Price is because Cabelas doesn't know any better...

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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: Huvius]
      #133439 - 25/04/09 11:01 AM

Somebody should hop on that one. The Woodward Automatics are really nice to shoot.

Too bad about the recoil pad. Who the hell would cut a Woodward? A .303 doesn't kick!

That rifle would have come with a checkered horn buttplate like this:



For a good close look at my Woodward Automatic you can go here:

Curl's Woodward

They are rare and interesting rifles.

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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: CptCurl]
      #133444 - 25/04/09 12:19 PM

I made an offer on it when it was first listed, they said they wanna give it 10 days before they move it.

Problems:
Bores are pitted 1 1/2" at the breech end, rifling is worn a bit overall with smooth edged lands up to about 8" below the muzzle. Stock has 2 repairs, 1 behind the tang where a lyman sight was attached, and a large square inletted piece just below the cheekpiece. Pad is obviously not original and the stock has been cut.

I have emailed Purdey's and am awaiting some kind of details if they have them..

I have first right of refusal on this piece, unless it sells for asking.


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: ]
      #133448 - 25/04/09 12:42 PM

generalwar,
What about the scope base?
The case is not original to the gun either, but nice to have.

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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: Huvius]
      #133453 - 25/04/09 01:18 PM

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generalwar,
What about the scope base?
The case is not original to the gun either, but nice to have.




The scope bases are hard to tell unless looking at them closely, however the case appears to be original. Its also a non-ejector [extractor].

Considering the issues'sss with this piece asking is off a bit imho, but I'm very anal when it comes to alterations and the original romance it ruins. My guess is they have around $9,000 in it.


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: ]
      #133455 - 25/04/09 01:25 PM


I have seen very few Ejector guns by Woodward.

Not sure why, maybe the way the Snap underlever works ?


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: 500Nitro]
      #133456 - 25/04/09 01:28 PM

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I have seen very few Ejector guns by Woodward.

Not sure why, maybe the way the Snap underlever works ?




Perhaps Curl will chime in, since he is the local expert on snap woodies


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: ]
      #133460 - 25/04/09 02:06 PM

You can always change out a butt pad. Even if LOP is a little short. Nice over all gun though.

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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: Huvius]
      #133462 - 25/04/09 02:17 PM

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generalwar,
What about the scope base?
The case is not original to the gun either, but nice to have.





Why is the case not original to the gun ?


I haven't looked too closely myself.


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: ]
      #133464 - 25/04/09 02:23 PM

Quote:

Quote:

generalwar,
What about the scope base?
The case is not original to the gun either, but nice to have.




The scope bases are hard to tell unless looking at them closely, however the case appears to be original.





If the case is original, yet has no compartment to store a scope, wouldn't that suggest that the scope base/s are not original?


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: 4seventy]
      #133467 - 25/04/09 02:55 PM



4seventy


My thoughts as well.

I'll have a closer look at the gun as I have seen 2 Woodwards
with Original scopes.


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: 500Nitro]
      #133500 - 26/04/09 12:14 AM

Well, I'm not sure Woodward would use an ink pen to scratch out "Gun" and write "Rifle" over it.
Unless a previous owner slapped on the only Automatic label he could find and altered it himself, which is possible.
You can also see that the little block on the inside of the case lid presses right down on the standing sight. Maybe that was put in the wrong place when it was relined though.

Also, as stated above, either the case is not original, the scope base, or both - I would guess both.

Is there a cut in the rib for the front scope mount in front of the sight, or is it part of the sight island?

I think generalwar is about right on as far as what Cabelas has into it. Also, once you start scrutinizing it, there are quite a few questions arising.
This is a prime example of "to buy or not to buy". Is it special enough to overlook it's shortcomings? At $15K, which seems reasonable, does it fit in with your own collecting parameters?

Maybe we should take a lesson of restraint which generalwar has displayed.
My guess is that he can easily afford it, so why quibble over a couple grand in price?
Simply because he is at a higher level of collecting than most of the rest of us.
This Woodward could certainly be the pride of most collections - even with its warts - so maybe the buyer will be able to take the next step up. Even at full ask, not a stupid buy by any measure.

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Edited by Huvius (26/04/09 12:48 AM)


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: Huvius]
      #133508 - 26/04/09 03:30 AM

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Well, I'm not sure Woodward would use an ink pen to scratch out "Gun" and write "Rifle" over it.




It is possible, I have seen that done before on a few occasions, though never on a Woodward label. So it's another mystery..

Quote:

You can also see that the little block on the inside of the case lid presses right down on the standing sight. Maybe that was put in the wrong place when it was relined though.




Good point, that is another small magenta flag.

Quote:

Also, as stated above, either the case is not original, the scope base, or both - I would guess both.




I would tend to agree after spending some time looking at what I can see in the pictures, regarding the scope base. Though the case does look like a vintage Woodward double rifle case. I have blown it up and added pointers for other members to review as well.



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Is there a cut in the rib for the front scope mount in front of the sight, or is it part of the sight island?




I would think it would attach at the front ramp of the quarter rib which is probably notched and slightly inverted to allow it to slide on. Perhaps set up for a long vintage Davidson scope?

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I think generalwar is about right on as far as what Cabelas has into it. Also, once you start scrutinizing it, there are quite a few questions arising.
This is a prime example of "to buy or not to buy". Is it special enough to overlook it's shortcomings? At $15K, which seems reasonable, does it fit in with your own collecting parameters?




Thank you.

My view is: It’s a neat gun, but its been butchered a bit, and the bores are marginal from what I could gather on the telephone. Perhaps a pristine unaltered version would bring $20k or so in my eyes, however if you add up what it would take to make this specimen correct were talking thousands of dollars, and you would still have a altered/repaired rifle with marginal bores, cut stock, etc. Bore condition is extremely important to most folks, including me, so I’m waiting to see what happens with this one.

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Maybe we should take a lesson of restraint which generalwar has displayed.
My guess is that he can easily afford it, so why quibble over a couple grand in price?
Simply because he is at a higher level of collecting than most of the rest of us.




Restraint comes from multiple fukups over the years on my part learning what to pursue and what not to pursue, I have learned some very expensive lessons over the years with guns.. Project guns are really not something that makes me excited anymore, and for resale its just a disaster most of the time in monetary terms.

It’s not about the price for me, rather the details I have outlined above. I have interest, just not $15k in interest..

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This Woodward could certainly be the pride of most collections - even with its warts - so maybe the buyer will be able to take the next step up. Even at full ask, not a stupid buy by any measure.




This statement is in my grey basket..


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: ]
      #133510 - 26/04/09 03:46 AM



generalwar

I agree re "project guns".

I made a decision along time ago not to get into "project guns"

I always get the little things tidied up to make sure they are 100% safe and useable, but big projects, I'll leave that to others.

Although this gun would be nice to have, I can think of plenty of others to buy for $15k.


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: 500Nitro]
      #133517 - 26/04/09 05:10 AM

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generalwar

I agree re "project guns".

I made a decision along time ago not to get into "project guns"

I always get the little things tidied up to make sure they are 100% safe and useable, but big projects, I'll leave that to others.

Although this gun would be nice to have, I can think of plenty of others to buy for $15k.




I'm with you.


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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: ]
      #134875 - 09/05/09 03:11 AM

Well the little guy sold, I heard a fellow traded into it at the asking price of $15k. Took just 10 days to move, not bad.

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Re: A Hangable offense [Re: ]
      #134882 - 09/05/09 05:27 AM

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Well the little guy sold, I heard a fellow traded into it at the asking price of $15k. Took just 10 days to move, not bad.





Sold and being traded into are 2 different things IMHO.

Because trading into, you can place some higher value
on what you are trading and therefore it is unlikely
to have cost the guy the full $15K.


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