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mickey
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Client screws up shot on Leopard
      #131836 - 09/04/09 02:19 AM

http://trophyroom.com:80/video/BIkAidNXYP/

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: mickey]
      #131840 - 09/04/09 02:38 AM

I tell you what, It's a good thing that leopard finaly went down..the tracker was two steps away from lopping of its head.

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: DoubleD]
      #131851 - 09/04/09 04:33 AM

Like I said before - when the leopard was stationary, there were several VERY poor shots fired - shotgun and rifle both - were they trying to get it to charge by shooting in front and to the right of it? Not impressed with the shooting - but have found, with most hunters I've seen, that's about normal.

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: DarylS]
      #133516 - 26/04/09 05:08 AM

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Like I said before - when the leopard was stationary, there were several VERY poor shots fired - shotgun and rifle both - were they trying to get it to charge by shooting in front and to the right of it? Not impressed with the shooting - but have found, with most hunters I've seen, that's about normal.




There were no shotguns in that film! The double barrel you were seeing was a Krieghoff double rifle! A full 90% of a wounded leopard getting to the shooters in a charge, the follow-up was done with a shotgun. This is not a common practice, because the PHs have learned over time from the experience of others, that a shotgun is not a good choice for this activity.


I think you would change your tune if you had been the one holding the rifle. A fast moveing Leopard is not an easy target to hit, and harder to stop when you do! The angle in low, moveing fast, and constantly changeing. The lead amount is constantly changeing, and misses are far more common than with larger and slower animals.

As old lion hunters have found, when charged they dropped to their knees, so the angle is the same for the whole charge. This would not have worked in this case because the grass was too high, and a lower shooting position would have hidden the target.

Monday morning quarterbacking is a very easy profession,one everybody is qualified for, but it doesn't pay very well!

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #133520 - 26/04/09 05:36 AM

DUGABOY1's comments are spot on accurate.

Let me also say that the charge in that video is relatively slow to most Leopard charges. Admittedly, they're all different but from my personal experience, they're usually a hell of a sight faster that that one was........ usually, you get time for one shot only.

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Edited by shakari (26/04/09 05:39 AM)


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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #133650 - 27/04/09 06:17 PM

DUGABOY 1, I agree 100% with what you have said. i might add that I know a few PH's that still believes in shotguns, but if they hunt leopard ofetn enough, they WILL see the error in their ways...


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Originally posted by shakari:
Let me also say that the charge in that video is relatively slow to most Leopard charges. Admittedly, they're all different but from my personal experience, they're usually a hell of a sight faster that that one was........ usually, you get time for one shot only.





shakari, I think the charge looks slow because the front leg was shot off, but mainly because the charge started way further than is normal on a leopard, giving one of the guys 2 shots, and adding to the illusion that it was slow.
I have always found that charges looks to be in slow motion when they happen to you, but are normally over so quick that it really should be an instictive reflex action how you deal with them- a fight or flight decision in less than 0.5 seconds.

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: Ndumo]
      #133667 - 27/04/09 11:03 PM

Karl,

I agree ir started a long way back but I reckon the buggered forleg slowed him down a fair bit.

Interesting what you say about the charge. For some strange reason, I can never remember the charge itself. I always remember spotting the animal and identifing the charge and I always remember the moments after the shot and the animal is down.......... but the bit in between, including the shot itself, is always a complete blank........ Christ knows why, but that's the way it is with me.

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: shakari]
      #133705 - 28/04/09 05:21 AM

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Karl,

I agree ir started a long way back but I reckon the buggered forleg slowed him down a fair bit.

Interesting what you say about the charge. For some strange reason, I can never remember the charge itself. I always remember spotting the animal and identifing the charge and I always remember the moments after the shot and the animal is down.......... but the bit in between, including the shot itself, is always a complete blank........ Christ knows why, but that's the way it is with me.




Shakari, the bit I remeber from a charge is only the ends of my barrels, and the buffalo, nothing else registered at all, not even the sound of the shots, or recoil. One other thing I remember is I could see a tuft of grass still in his mouth as he came!

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #133707 - 28/04/09 05:30 AM

DUGABOY1

I think it must be different for everyone. In my case, I remember the mock charges clear as a bell and/or the lead up to the charge, (even the track etc) but the period beween my thumb flicking the safety off and the animal laying dead is just........ completely blank!

Of course, the eternal question is always going to be, will the next one be the same!

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: shakari]
      #133710 - 28/04/09 05:39 AM


shakari


I notice you mention "flicking the safety off".

So when you are going in after a wounded animal,
and assuming you are first in line, do you always have the safety on or do you sometimes stalk in without it on or do you wait to take it off until you see the animal ?


Of course if you have a tracker in front, safety would be on.


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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: 500Nitro]
      #133716 - 28/04/09 06:20 AM

When Im tracking wounded (dangerous) game, I always carry my rifle in my hands with my thumb on the safety.

FWIW, I try to reduce the 'charge rate' by never charging in after the shot. (Excepting Elephant, which assuming it falls over immediatly, I'm usually straight in with the client for him to 'kill it again') After the shot, I just have everyone crouch down and wait a while......... then when we walk slowly and quietly to where the animal was and begin the track. When we see the animal, if it's on it's feet still, I have the client shoot again and if it's already down, I ALWAYS approach it from behind, with my rifle in my shoulder and when I'm about 6 foot away, I have the tracker shoot the animal in the arse with a slingshot. If it so much as farts at that range, I whack it with the 500.

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Edited by shakari (28/04/09 06:22 AM)


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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: shakari]
      #133717 - 28/04/09 06:22 AM


Thanks, interesting


I think I'll give the tracker job a miss, prefer a gun to a sling shot !!!!


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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: 500Nitro]
      #133718 - 28/04/09 06:25 AM

I've gotta tell you, that ol' slingshot is usually one of the favourite pieces of kit in camp and often provides the odd guinea fowl for the pot.

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: shakari]
      #133719 - 28/04/09 06:33 AM


Yes, they are great fun to use, had many hours of enjoyment with them as a kid but you can be buggered if I'm going to flick a stone at a buffalo's bum with one !!!


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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: shakari]
      #133729 - 28/04/09 09:53 AM

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DUGABOY1


Of course, the eternal question is always going to be, will the next one be the same!




Thankfully, for the client hunter it doesn't happen all that often, but you are right, you always wounder if the next one may get home with his charge. Buffalo don't seem to scare me much, but a close in lion absolutely scares the piss out of me, especially when the light is fadeing!

You guys get to go in after the screw-ups, and sort them out.......Bad day at Blackrock!

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #133745 - 28/04/09 03:47 PM

You're right, it doesn't happen very often and the incidence rate can be reduced dramatically by how you behave after the shot and during the follow up. I was taught to be cautious, and have always followed that principle....... and have never regretted it.

Like you, I reckon the cats have the biggest pucker factor.

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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: shakari]
      #135561 - 18/05/09 12:30 AM

We used to throw rocks and sticks at the "dead" bears to make sure they were dead and then smoke a cigarrete before we started skinning them. And that was after an insurance shot! Just chicken I guess ... Of course it only takes one ...



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Edited by chuck375 (18/05/09 12:32 AM)


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Re: Client screws up shot on Leopard [Re: chuck375]
      #135563 - 18/05/09 12:49 AM


Nothing "chicken" about insurance shots !


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