Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact
NitroExpress.com: Snakes..

View recent messages : 24 hours | 48 hours | 7 days | 14 days | 30 days | 60 days | More Smilies


*** Enjoy NitroExpress.com? Participate and join in. ***
You are not logged in. [Login] Main Index · Search · Active Topics
New user · Who's Online · FAQ · Calendar

Hunting >> Hunting in Australia, NZ & the South Pacific
Previous topic Previous   View all topics Index   Next topic Next   Threaded Mode Threaded  

Pages: 1
Bakes
.375 member


Reged: 31/01/03
Posts: 589
Loc: QLD
Snakes..
      #13018 - 04/04/04 11:34 PM

are on the move around here. We relocated a tiapan from the officers mess yesterday and saw 3 tiapans and caught one black headed python today Must be the change of weather.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
shehuntz
.224 member


Reged: 20/03/04
Posts: 34
Loc: Geelong, Victoria, Australia.
Re: Snakes.. [Re: Bakes]
      #13059 - 05/04/04 04:18 PM

Yeah Bakes snakes are everywhere down here too. Though not as dangerous as those buggers.
Was out last monday morning lookin for rusa and i encountered not 1 but 3 red belly blacks. The 'biggest' was as thick as my forearm and i met him whilst i was on my hand and knees crawling along a trail through lantana. needless to say i went backwards in a hurry.

Edited by shehuntz (05/04/04 04:19 PM)

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
**DONOTDELETE**





Re: Snakes.. [Re: Bakes]
      #13060 - 05/04/04 05:02 PM

Bakes,

You have the Coastal Taipan.

Locality:

http://www.qmuseum.qld.gov.au/images/fauna/CTAIMAP.jpg

Do you have any idea of the survival rate from a Coastal Taipan bite when there is no anti venine treatment available!!!!!

Mike

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Bakes
.375 member


Reged: 31/01/03
Posts: 589
Loc: QLD
Re: Snakes.. [Re: Mike375]
      #13065 - 05/04/04 09:59 PM

Nope, But I didn't catch it . The bloke that did has caught them before and the Enviromental health officer has even bought him his own snake catching kit, proper bags and such. The snake was very black, making us think it was a black whip snake but a look at its scales below its arse told Brett it was a Tiapan.



Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
NitroXAdministrator
.700 member


Reged: 25/12/02
Posts: 39877
Loc: Barossa Valley, South Australi...
Re: Snakes.. [Re: Bakes]
      #13068 - 06/04/04 12:39 AM

A photo of the inland Taipan



Inland Taipan Oxyuranus microlepidotus
The inland taipan occurs in the dry northeast of South Australia. It has been recorded as far south as Coober Pedy and as far east as Goyders Lagoon. It occurs on open flood plains of the channel country, adjacent gibber and the sandy hills between the flood plains. It seems to be associated with the food mammal sources of the longhaired rat Rattus villosissimus and plains rat Pseudomys australis and possibly other small mammals.

Unlike many other Australian venomous snakes, this species seems to rely almost entirely on mammals for food once they are mature.

The venom of this species is highly toxic and has been shown to be the most toxic in the world when mice are used as test animals. On this scale it is about 50 times more toxic than the Asian cobra, Naja naja.

From http://www.venomsupplies.com/


Coastal Taipan



--------------------
John aka NitroX

...
Govt get out of our lives NOW!
"I love the smell of cordite in the morning."
"A Sharp spear needs no polish"

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
NitroXAdministrator
.700 member


Reged: 25/12/02
Posts: 39877
Loc: Barossa Valley, South Australi...
Re: Snakes.. [Re: NitroX]
      #13070 - 06/04/04 12:57 AM

Bakes

How do you "snake proof" your dogs ie discourage them from curiousity from following up a snake's scent?

(hope I haven't asked this before)



--------------------
John aka NitroX

...
Govt get out of our lives NOW!
"I love the smell of cordite in the morning."
"A Sharp spear needs no polish"

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Bakes
.375 member


Reged: 31/01/03
Posts: 589
Loc: QLD
Re: Snakes.. [Re: NitroX]
      #13072 - 06/04/04 01:27 AM

These snakes were alot darker than the pic's. An unusual colouring.

Most dogs will shy away from snake scent or at least indicate on them. We don't do any training for it, but if you wanted to train your dog to stay away I'd get a fresh, dead snake and an electric collar and when the dog went to investigate the snake he gets a ZAP on high. This should cure any "snake chasing" behaviour. You would have to do some lead up work on the collar first.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
NitroXAdministrator
.700 member


Reged: 25/12/02
Posts: 39877
Loc: Barossa Valley, South Australi...
Re: Snakes.. [Re: Bakes]
      #13073 - 06/04/04 01:39 AM

What sort of lead up work?

I've done this with a electric collar but while he understands not to follow-up snake scent he still shows too much curiousity. One of his favourite games is to hunt lizards but he knows the difference between lizards and snakes. Eg he finds a lizard's scent he follows it. He finds a snakes scent and he jumps, but too often still follows up a few too many steps.



--------------------
John aka NitroX

...
Govt get out of our lives NOW!
"I love the smell of cordite in the morning."
"A Sharp spear needs no polish"

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
ThomasEdwards
.300 member


Reged: 04/01/04
Posts: 246
Loc: Newport Beach, CA
Re: Snakes + Snake Boots [Re: Bakes]
      #13082 - 06/04/04 05:13 AM

...strange coincidence...ranchers report an unusual amount of snake activity in the central california coastal regions this year...at least a few months ahead of 'schedule'...

...anyone have any thoughts on the efficacy of 'snake boots'?...do they work?...how about the russell mocassin snake boots?...

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Holmes
.300 member


Reged: 01/12/03
Posts: 159
Loc: Wyoming, USA
Re: Snakes + Snake Boots [Re: ThomasEdwards]
      #13104 - 06/04/04 10:07 AM

Snake boots of quality manufacture are quite effective at turning serpent bites.

Bear in mind that snake venoms were designed primarily for prey acquisition and chemo-sensory tracking. The venom supply is limited and most species do not always employ it in defensive bites. This does not included bites where deliberate provacation is involved.

In North American pit viper bites, the rate of 'dry' bites is estimated to be around 35% and possibly as high as 50%.

The snake has full control under normal circumstances not only regarding the implementation of venom, but also the amount of venom delivered.

The most agile North American snake can strike effectively to a distance of 1/2 its body length. This means that even the largest pit viper can be avoided with a step or two out of harm's way. In the case of rattlesnakes, a warning rattle is not required before sa strike. In the event of a confrontation do not remain frozen. The serpent will interpret this as failure to yield and will be forced to act.

First aid field treatment of venomous snakebite is a misunderstood practice and the techniques often advocated scare the hell out of me. If there is interest here regarding the topic, I will be more than happy to elaborate.

Regards to all.

-Holmes

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Bakes
.375 member


Reged: 31/01/03
Posts: 589
Loc: QLD
Re: Snakes.. [Re: NitroX]
      #13111 - 06/04/04 12:05 PM

Nitro
The lead up work is putting the collar on for about 3-4 days and doing nothing. This is so the dog doesn't accociate the collar with the zap, take him for walks and play but don't use the collar. Then you have teach him that a zap means a correction. You don't need a snake for this, you can use anything that you want him to stop doing ie digging, going to close to the chooks, whatever. Next get a dead snake and set him up.

The fact that he takes some steps in direction of the snake would suggest that the correction wasn't enough or you need to re-enforce the training you've allready done. If your collar has a high setting, set it to that. You want to extinguish any thoughts of him following up a snakes scent.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
**DONOTDELETE**





Re: Snakes.. [Re: Bakes]
      #13115 - 06/04/04 01:13 PM

Bakes I don't know how true this is but:

I can remember being told as a kid that the lucky dog was one whose first snake encounter was with a red bellied black snake. The bite made him one real sick dog and from that moment on he avoided snakes. However, if his first encounter was with a tiger snake or brown snake then one dead dog.

Mike

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
ThomasEdwards
.300 member


Reged: 04/01/04
Posts: 246
Loc: Newport Beach, CA
Re: Snakes + Snake Boots [Re: Holmes]
      #13126 - 06/04/04 05:20 PM

...yes, please elaborate if you don't mind...especially on recommended emergency treatment for, say, a rattle snake bite...

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Bakes
.375 member


Reged: 31/01/03
Posts: 589
Loc: QLD
Re: Snakes.. [Re: Mike375]
      #13127 - 06/04/04 05:58 PM

Do the Aussie's remember Bwana Samaki? He wrote in the journal that a good remedy for snake bite was Vitamin C. 15mg injected under the skin (scruff of the neck) there was some evidence that it cured some animals and our vet said it wouldn't hurt. I made up some kits for our packs. It consisted of a syringe,large gauge needle and a bottle of vit C. Now if you don't believe this theroy, treat the bite as you would a human wrap it up and get it to a vet, if your to far from a vet start digging a hole. One thing to consider is that most snake bites on dogs will be around the face.

Mike
Our vet in Williamtown, conducted a week long course for us doggies, in which we discussed first aid, bullet wounds,snake bite,heat stroke etc. The day after my course finished the vet arrived at the section with a dead dog in the back of his ute. The dog had been bitten on the leg and the flesh around the bite was black and decaying. Basically he bought the dog out to give us a bit of a test. He asked us what snake had done the deed. Turned out to be a black snake!

As you would know, just because you've been bitten doesn't mean you've been envenomated.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
4seventy
Sponsor


Reged: 07/05/03
Posts: 2210
Loc: Queensland Australia
Re: Snakes + Snake Boots [Re: Holmes]
      #13130 - 06/04/04 07:32 PM

In reply to:

First aid field treatment of venomous snakebite is a misunderstood practice and the techniques often advocated scare the hell out of me. If there is interest here regarding the topic, I will be more than happy to elaborate.



Holmes, yes please!
I'm always keen to keep up to date on this type of stuff.
If you have good accurate advice on snake bite treatment I think there would be many here who would like to know about it.
Thanks

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
ALAN_MCKENZIE
.400 member


Reged: 24/03/04
Posts: 1214
Loc: Western Australia
Re: Snakes + Snake Boots [Re: 4seventy]
      #13137 - 06/04/04 11:50 PM

Very interesting subject.

Firstly yes I would like to hear the latest on snakebite treatment.

When I am out bush with either horses or dogs I carry a few vials of Ascorbic Acid 500mg in 5 mL and a couple of syringes,for emergency's.
I must admitt that I have never used it.
Pat Colby was a lady that wrote a book on alternative medicine for animals and included vitamin C as an antidote..
Al

Light canvas leggings are more than suitable for repelling attempted snake bites on your legs..

--------------------
"Dogs always bark at their master"
Sir Seretse Khama.25th June 1949

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
ALAN_MCKENZIE
.400 member


Reged: 24/03/04
Posts: 1214
Loc: Western Australia
Re: Snakes + Snake Boots [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #13139 - 07/04/04 12:24 AM

I was owned by a Jack Russell whilst contract blackberry spraying around Ballandean in Queensland.
He hunted anything that moved especially feral cats.
He usually came home covered in blood with shredded ears and after a clean up and a good feed was ready for work the next day.
One morning I found him in a rather depressed state and he had'nt eaten his supper.
A trip to David Battle the Vet in Stanthorpe ,diagnosis a red bellied black snake bite.
Transfussion from a black lab and an overnight stay and he was rearing to go again but would have nothing to do with lizards or snakes from that time on.
An old timer Barney Belford told me that he would abcess at the site of the bite twice and then heal up,which is exactly what happened.
Hope I havent bored you too much.
Al

--------------------
"Dogs always bark at their master"
Sir Seretse Khama.25th June 1949

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
NitroXAdministrator
.700 member


Reged: 25/12/02
Posts: 39877
Loc: Barossa Valley, South Australi...
Re: Snakes.. [Re: Mike375]
      #13148 - 07/04/04 03:31 AM

Mike

My dog Siegfried as a one year was hit in the shoulder by a large common brown snake. I saw it from about 40 metres away. I ran forward thinking I had a dead dog walking around. Luckily he moved away several steps after being bit. Thankfully the snake didn't seem to get any poison into him. I pulled him away and got my wife to block the snake from going to cover. Got the shotgun and one dead brown snake.

That spot is always a hot spot for snakes. We believe they breed in some drain pipes under an old railway line. Since filled in. He didn't show any effects other than being very excited. He fully knows what a snake is and for the next few weeks jumped at sticks on the ground and anything snake like. Gave him electric collar training and for a while wouldn't go near a snake.But is a curious dog and after a while when smelling one jumps but then goes looking for it.

Another time I was digging soil on my land near the same old railway line. With the tractor lifted some old sleeper posts and out came a snake. Had a .22 Magnum and put one into its back. Guess what? Along comes Siegfried to see what I had shot like a good retriever. I yelled at him and like a good dog what does he do? Comes running straight to me. Straight over the live snake and due to my yelling stopped. Standing right over the snake. I reached in. Grabbed his collar and yanked him six feet through the air. He survived that one too.

This area is a high grass area and probably acts like a natural corridor for wildlife. But it is also an area where when picking grapes I have a lot of staff moving around. As in this case I had 20 to 30 pickers ariving the next day to pick and they park there cars in this area so brown snakes are a menace there. While protected unless a danger there is no shortage on my farm so no need to be concerned about one or two that bite a bullet. Usually they escape quite easily.

I think the vitamin C remedy mike be a good thing to be prepared with.

Bakes - thanks for the reply. He knows what the controller is and I did have him wearing it without it being turned on. He is a smart dog.

I enjoyed "Bwana Samakis" (Muarray Mitchell's) writings. Pity he never put them into a book as once he mentioned and pity he no longer has a column. It was the first thing I read in the old Shooters Journal. He also edited my articles in the Yearbook where I submitted my articles. Got four published in the Yearbook. He said they took a lot of editing .



--------------------
John aka NitroX

...
Govt get out of our lives NOW!
"I love the smell of cordite in the morning."
"A Sharp spear needs no polish"

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
NitroXAdministrator
.700 member


Reged: 25/12/02
Posts: 39877
Loc: Barossa Valley, South Australi...
Re: Snakes.. [Re: NitroX]
      #13150 - 07/04/04 03:44 AM

A few Christmas holidays ago I spent a few days down on the South Coast in a beach house. Driving along and walking to the beach through the dunes and dune grasses. Found a dead Death Adder on the road that had been half squashed on the road but still alive. Gives one thoughts about how lucky we are they are usuallly scared of us too. I hate the bloody things.


As kids we used to visit a property in a semi-arid area on the other side of the ranges. It had a number of old ruined cottages built by settlers in days before they realised that the rains when they farmed were not normal and that one year in five was only good. Anyway one of these had a large stone walled 'tank' in the ground built to collect run-off. Now dry. But snakes would slither into the inlets and fall into the tank and not be able to get out. The most we found in the tank was five of the buggers. All common browns. A shearing shed nearby and resident mice probably attracted them. The old cottages often had calico or canvas ceilings. The snakes would also be in the roofs and ready to fall down when you went in. At least that is what us kids were told.

We no longer have this property but it was a great place for seeing big red roos, greys, an occaisonal emu, snakes, rabbits and foxes. Had resident eagles nests in the trees. And if you looked for tracks close enough could find little "plantations" of green plants being grown in little pots hidden among the salt bush.



--------------------
John aka NitroX

...
Govt get out of our lives NOW!
"I love the smell of cordite in the morning."
"A Sharp spear needs no polish"

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
shehuntz
.224 member


Reged: 20/03/04
Posts: 34
Loc: Geelong, Victoria, Australia.
Re: Snakes.. [Re: NitroX]
      #13185 - 07/04/04 03:54 PM

"And if you looked for tracks close enough could find little "plantations" of green plants being grown in little pots hidden among the salt bush."



Even doing taxidermy on dead venomous snakes is dangerous!

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
cooch
.300 member


Reged: 21/09/03
Posts: 192
Loc: Southern NSW
Re: Snakes.. [Re: shehuntz]
      #15115 - 23/05/04 04:00 PM

Nitro...

What happened to Murray Mitchell?
Why did he stop writing?

I have his "Brother to the Dingo", and a great read it is.

Recommended First Aid for Snake bite is Pressure Immobilisation. Venom from Australian snakes actually moves through the lymphatic system beneath the skin, rather than through the bloodstream.Pressure Immobilisation is designed to deal with this.[list]
1.Apply firm pressure over the bite site, using hand if neccessary
2. Apply a crepe roller bandage to maintain pressure over the area of the bite.
3. For a bite on the arm or leg apply a second crepe roller bandage over the biote site and work upwards to cover as much of the limb as you can. Apply the bandage as tightly as you would for a sprained ankle, but not so tightly as to cut off circulation below the bandage.
4.Immobilise the affected limb with a splint to reduce muscle move,ment. Help the victim to rest if possible and do not let the victim stand or walk. Bring transport to the victim unless this will cause a delay of 2 hrs or more.
5. Do not remove bandage until the victim has reached medical care and then only if you are instructed to do so.

Do not cut the bite site and attempt to suck out venom.
Do not wash venom off the skin. It will do no harm there and will permit correct identification of the type of anti-venom required.
Do no apply a tourniquet.

(Red Cross First Aid Manual 2001)

Ain't it wonderful living on an island which has all of the world's ten most venomous snakes.

Cooch

--------------------
"The only logical response to an animal that lives obsessed with avoiding capture is to chase it." - Jose Ortega y Gassett

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1


Previous topic Previous   View all topics Index   Next topic Next   Threaded Mode Threaded  

Extra information
1 registered and 19 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:   

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 5340

Rate this topic

Jump to

Contact Us NitroExpress.com

Powered by UBB.threads™ 6.5.5


Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact


Copyright 2003 to 2011 - all rights reserved