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so with you class 1 2 3 what precentage of the safari cost do you give to each
mine is

1. 25%
2. 15%
3. 10%
of total price of safari

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so with you class 1 2 3 what precentage of the safari cost do you give to each
mine is

1. 25%
2. 15%
3. 10%
of total price of safari

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Until I read that I had never considered myself a mean man......but there is no ******* way that I am going to give away 50% of the cost of my trip additionaly in tips.

I also run a building contracting company, would I expect my professionals to be tipped 25% the value of a contract, no way on earth. I am genuinely shocked.

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Absolutely right.

No need to base a tip on the value of a safari.

Also the percentages seem to creep (sky rocket) up every year!

Hell Bells, tips are not meant to be wages. Wages are supposed to be paid by the outfitter to HIS staff out of the fees you have already been charged. Over tipping also makes them dissatisfied for future clients.

Work out the $ or Rand tip one wants to give and give that.

If the outfitter and PH are one and the same, I give a gift, not a tip.

I would rank:
PH;
Chief Tracker;
Any other tracker & skinners;
Cook;
Other staff.

Really I thought the US custom of tipping was only for "direct service" staff, not an entire camp including every unseen goatherd and milk boy?

The CIA Fact Book lists the average GDP in South Africa as US$6000 per year and that is with a lot of income stratified at the top. If wages are say $1500 to $4000 per year, you can see what a good tip is.

In places like Tanzania it is evident that some greedy outfitters seem to think providing mealie meal and a hut is enough for staff and any cash income has to come from tips. Sometimes generously paying $1 to $3 per day. While charging clients thousands of dollars a day.

I would like the same outfitters whom recommend large tips to specify what wages they pay their staff.

I will enlighten you however that tipping in Australia is virtually non-existent. Really a demeaning custom.

But work out the $ or Rand tip one wants to give and give that.

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so with you class 1 2 3 what precentage of the safari cost do you give to each
mine is

1. 25%
2. 15%
3. 10%
of total price of safari

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I know I'm new to this forum ,I am not new to foreign hunting travel nor Africa,soooo, please tell me you ARE joking?

The precedent you set,if indeed you are serious, makes it terrible for other hunters, as well as the safari workers themselves in their future expectations.

in the past,I have given rifles/shotguns as gifts/tips, as well as other items and cash.
All were well received and appreciated and to my knowledge, I was never considered cheap.
(I understand leaving weapons as tips is more difficult than in the past.)

But for those of us that struggle to get to do 3 to 4 African trips in a lifetime ,these percentages of the safari cost are unreasonable numbers you propose.

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so with you class 1 2 3 what precentage of the safari cost do you give to each
mine is

1. 25%
2. 15%
3. 10%
of total price of safari

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i'm thinking you must have received some TARP funds!

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From Chifuti's web site is below...and basically what I have used for GOOD service in Africa...if its crap service I return the favor...if its really good, again tip accordingly...

Ripp



In today’s society, most waiters and waitresses average a 10%-15% tip for taking an order and delivering it with a smile. Professional hunters and their staff usually work a lot harder for far less, so remember that fact before the final handshake on your next hunt.

TYPE OF SAFARI P.H. TIP TRACKER TEAM CAMP MGR CAMP STAFF
7 day plains game 400.00 50.00 each 100.00 75.00
10 day plains game 500.00 75.00 each 125.00 100.00
10 day buffalo / plains game 750.00 150.00 each 125.00 300.00
14 day buffalo / leopard / plains 1,000.00 175.00 each 150.00 400.00
18 day buffalo / lion / plains game 1,500.00
200.00 each 200.00 500.00
21 day ‘big 4’ hunt 2,000.00 250.00 each 250.00 600.00

Remember, our tipping suggestions are no different than any other portion of this information package. Their sole purpose is to help our client prepare for and enjoy their safari experience. And as always, tipping is at the discretion of you, the client.

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Chifuti operates in Zimbabwe doesn't it?

In Zim an appentice PH makes between $25 to $75 per day. A qualified PH makes around $150 to $250 per day including supply of his vehicle - about a $100 a day if he needs to "borrow" one. The outfitter provides fuel.

If I'm wrong, a PH or outfitter is free to correct me.

It really comes to what the client can afford. If I was to pay the sort of tips some guys expect or recommend I would not be hunting there at all. And for people saying "if you can afford the safari price, you can afford the tips" well that is crap. Also USA readers might note, European hunters also often tip differently from US clients, and yet are also appeciated as clients.

On one of my last safaris I asked the PH/Outfitter what he wanted, and he asked me to bring his wife a bottle of hard to get in Zim perfume. So I did as a gift.

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From Chifuti's web site is below...and basically what I have used for GOOD service in Africa...if its crap service I return the favor...if its really good, again tip accordingly...

Ripp



In today’s society, most waiters and waitresses average a 10%-15% tip for taking an order and delivering it with a smile. Professional hunters and their staff usually work a lot harder for far less, so remember that fact before the final handshake on your next hunt.

TYPE OF SAFARI P.H. TIP TRACKER TEAM CAMP MGR CAMP STAFF
7 day plains game 400.00 50.00 each 100.00 75.00
10 day plains game 500.00 75.00 each 125.00 100.00
10 day buffalo / plains game 750.00 150.00 each 125.00 300.00
14 day buffalo / leopard / plains 1,000.00 175.00 each 150.00 400.00
18 day buffalo / lion / plains game 1,500.00
200.00 each 200.00 500.00
21 day ‘big 4’ hunt 2,000.00 250.00 each 250.00 600.00

Remember, our tipping suggestions are no different than any other portion of this information package. Their sole purpose is to help our client prepare for and enjoy their safari experience. And as always, tipping is at the discretion of you, the client.

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Chifuti operates in Zimbabwe doesn't it?

In Zim an appentice PH makes between $25 to $75 per day. A qualified PH makes around $150 to $250 per day including supply of his vehicle - about a $100 a day if he needs to "borrow" one. The outfitter provides fuel.

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Chifuti does operate in Zim, correct...and from what I was able to gleem in my info--your info is pretty close--plus, they (PH) can get a percentage of trophy fees--at least that is what I was told..it is very small but a percentage none the less..

Ripp

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