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Birdhunter50
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Recoil reduction on a .350 mag.
      #129306 - 11/03/09 11:39 PM

I thought I ought to let everyone in on something that has recently worked out very well for me with my .350 Remington Magnum. I have discovered the answer to controling brutal recoil! I ordered a Kick-Eze 500 Series Magnum recoil pad from Brownells and installed it on the .350 before I ever shot it. It had been kicking the former owner so badly that he ordered a Past recoil pad just to use to sight it in with! The Kick-Eze reduced the recoil with factory 250 grain loads down to the felt recoil of about a lightly loaded 20 gauge auto!!! The pad is 1 3/8 inches thick and absorbs and delays recoil so that it is well spread out. You get a long, gentle push, but the jolting crunch from the recoil is now gone.

These are not real cheap at $39.95, retail price, but, it was worth every cent! Compared to other pads at $25.00 to $30.00 each, this is a BARGAIN ! Tell all your friends who may be troubled by recoil, to order and install one of these 500 Magnum pads. It is the best money I have ever spent with Brownells, and I do a lot of business with them. I realise that many of you out there don't like recoil pads because it spoils the looks or reduces the value of collector pieces, BUT, for anyone who has had shoulder damage, or who just can't take much recoil, this is the answer.

The hardest part of this whole project was getting the old pad off the Remington 673. The only other thing that takes some time is the grinding down of the new pad to fit the stock's outline. You have to go slow and not heat up the rubber pad too much, the rest is a snap. Bob H.


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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #129308 - 12/03/09 12:07 AM

Thanks Bob.

Question...why do the .350 Rem and .358 Win generate such frequent complaints as kickers when the 9.3x57 in my 6 lb rifle is a joy to shoot and my 9.3x62 in carbine form easy as well?

I've always found it curious.

In fact, in my case, years ago, I steered away from both those attractive .35's for years because I already had a .375 H&H and figured "why bother getting a lower-powered rifle that kicks more than my .375", this opinion based entirely on what I read about the .35's. I would have loved a Savage 99 in .358...

Thus, I've never owned either of the .35's and have never shot either of them either, but I have shot a .35 Whelen and it was fine, no big deal at all.

Is this a case of the gunwriters ruining two good cartridges and psyching shooters out? I mean, the ballistics are similar or less-inspiring than my 9.3's, so I just do not get it.

I think I've heard "Brutal recoil" or some such associated with the .350 and .358 more than any other cartridges. Yet the ballisitcs belie it.

Maybe Remington and Winchester stocks are poorly shaped?

Your thoughts?

A fellow I know owns a .350 carbine here. He lives in the middle of nowhere and it has been his cabin and hound hunting gun for the best part of his life. He never complains about the kick. Really curious about what you think; Are .358 and .350 owners frequently small-bore shooters who want a "big'un" but are afraid of recoil so they buy something in the middle and then realize they really can't stand kick at all?

A mystery wrapped in an enigma sealed in a riddle??

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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #129309 - 12/03/09 12:30 AM

The older I get the softer I get.
Though I still shoot my big stuff (404, 378, 405, 500(sold),300RUM,338LM ,etc)I find I also seek more recoil reduction.
I remember Ed Sherer telling me years ago to learn to avoid recoil, because of the wear and tear it created. Ed had a Hyrda-coil stock if I remember correctly, people made fun of the gun but never his scores.

The Kick-Eze products are great for the dollar,much cheaper than a Brako, Knoxx or Hydra-Coil etc.

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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #129326 - 12/03/09 05:11 AM

9.3X57,
I am curious as to what your gun weighs, this 350 is not a lightweight. In the 60's, Remington came out with their model 660 which had an 18 inch barrel and was too light for the caliber. I shot one of those guns back then, and it kicked like a mule, but it was a couple pounds or so lighter than this gun, the 673. The 660 didn't last but maybe two or three years, then Remington discontinued it. Later on , they made up a similar gun that had a 20 inch barrel but it was too light for the caliber, also. It didn't last very long either. Over the years, they tried putting the 350 into various forms such as their classic model 700 and a couple of others, but none sold well, and I think alot of it had to do with their earlier failures.

I can only speak about my own experiences, so I will limit my remarks to those things I know to be true. The 660 I shot years ago put a really bad scope cut on it's owner after I fired it and gave up. He didn't have his scope set out far enough. That was not the fault of the gun, but was a fairly comman mistake made by the people you mentioned that were only used to shooting small bores.
It is a proven scientific fact that noise during firing is also perceived as recoil and if the earlier users were not wearing any hearing protection, (and most of us didn't back then), it may be that part of the perceived recoil was in fact, noise. These days most all of us use muffs or at least earplugs and both of those help when firing over a bench or offhand at targets. I know I don't notice the noise or the recoil when shooting at a game animal, your body just shuts it off, somehow.

My gun weighs just under 8 pounds with the scope mounted and I think that is about average for todays short belted magnums, so it is neither a lightweight or a heavyweight for the caliber. It may be that the shorter, stubby case make it more efficient and heavier recoiling than a longer, narrower case would. I don't really know. I have never been what I would call recoil sensitive in the past. I have shot plenty of hard kicking high powers and muzzleloaders with steel or brass buttplates, loaded heavily, and never had a problem. Then last deer season, I fell three times while hunting on ice over snow. Ya, I know, not the smartest move I ever made. In order to protect my newly made double 45-70, I took all the shock of the fall with my right shoulder, three times, before I could get out of there. In the process, I dislocated my shoulder and wrecked my rotor cuff, or so my doctor tells me. This shoulder will now slip in and out without the least bit of help. It will do it even by sleeping on it wrong. So I needed recoil protection in the worst way for the first time in my life. The Kick-Eze magnum pad gave me that and i will continue to use it and talk it up wherever anyone as an interest in reducing the recoil of their shotguns or rifles.
They work well and are a bargain at twice the price! Bob H.


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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #129379 - 12/03/09 11:57 PM

I'm all for recoil reduction as far as pads and jackets are concerned. Some years ago nerve damamge in my shooting shoulder forced me to try the muzzle brake route. That was, for me, a mistake. Thankfully my condition has improved so I don't need it, but even when I did I rarely shot the braked gun due to the noise. I found it totally uncomfortable, tho the kick was more or less eliminated. No more brakes!

My 46 in 9.3x57 weighs 6 lbs.

My CZ550 9.3x62, about 8.5 and my HVA 146 about 9.5. So they are all over the map.

Not sure why the .35's are said to be mean ones.

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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #129382 - 13/03/09 12:20 AM

9.3X57,
I don't really know why they have such a bad reputation but they do recoil smartly. The Magnum pad is the answer for me, though. I will never put a muzzle brake on anything I own. I have shot near to people using them and the sound is oppressive! Bob H.


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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #129400 - 13/03/09 07:34 AM

The Remington M600 and M660 were little jumpers, and attained the recoil reputation. The first mag writers complained, so there it was - "THESE RIFLES KICK" - engraved in stone for the rest of posterity. I think perhaps the .358 Winchester was labled due to people changing form a .30/30 or something even lighter to one and noticed a rise in recoil. In a properly shaped stock of sufficient weight, neither of these calibres hit as hard as a 7mm Rem. mag. - which usually kicks about the same as an '06 of equal weight. The power is about identical.(except the '06 well shoot 200, 220 and 250 gr. bullets - hehehe)

The Ruger .350 Mag. that I shot didn't kick any more than my 9.3x62 with light loads.

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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: DarylS]
      #129406 - 13/03/09 08:49 AM

One of the problems with the .358 Winchester is that it was offered primarily in the Model 88 and the Model 70 Featherweight, both of which are ill designed to deal with recoil.

My Oberndorf Mauser .358 is a real pleasure to shoot, although, as I determined last year, the 250 grain bullets do not really open up enough on whitetails. Shooting 220 grain bullets with it is no worse recoilwise than shooting bullets of the same weight in a .308.


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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: xausa]
      #130784 - 29/03/09 11:02 PM

xausa,
What brand of 250 grain bullets were you using that didn't open up on deer? It may be that they were designed for heavier game animals,(thicker jackets). I am concerned about this because I intended to use the 250's for everything, including deer hunting. I am doing this because they are what I have the most of. The next question I have is, even if they don't open up well, what kind of a job do they do on deer size animals if hits are properly made? Bob H.


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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #130785 - 29/03/09 11:15 PM

I dont know this cartridge! It's the recoil very brutal? I shot 460WM, 500 Jeffery and 577NE without recoil reduction device's!

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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: grandveneur]
      #130786 - 29/03/09 11:36 PM

Grandveneur:

The .350 Rem Mag is merely a H&H case shortened to feed thru the short 600/660 action. The case capacity is almost identical to the .35 Whelen and the round more or less duplicates .35 Whelen performance, which is to say it is a very good round of similar performance to the 9.3x57 and 9.3x62.

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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #130789 - 30/03/09 12:07 AM

I know the history of this cartridge! My question was the recoil!

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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: grandveneur]
      #130794 - 30/03/09 12:47 AM

Grandveneur,
The recoil of the 350 Remington Magnum is not nearly as bad as the cartridges you mentioned and have already shot. I agree that it is probably said to be worse than it really is, but for me, with my bad shoulder, I needed something to help out. That is how this subject all got started and I feel that others who have trouble with their guns' recoil, might benefit from the installation of one of these "space age" pads. I have used Pachmyr and Limbsaver for some years, but the Kick Eze was, for me at least, much better and easier on my shoulder. If, on the other hand, you don't mind heavy recoiling rifles, then more power to you. I know some people on here don't feel like they are getting their money's worth unless they can feel all that tremendous power and recoil when the gun goes off. That's O.K. by me, too.


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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #130796 - 30/03/09 12:51 AM

Thank's!

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Re: Recoil reduction on a .350 mag. [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #130803 - 30/03/09 01:07 AM

Birdhunter50

Sorry to take so long in responding to your question about 250 grain bullets. I was using Winchester Silvertips, which are no longer available, anyway. I just happen to have a supply of them. I guess my affinity for them stems from my use of 180 grain and 300 grain Silvertips in my .300 and .375 H&H's in Africa, where they did a superlative job.


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