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AlaskanPH
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A different question for Shakari
      #12899 - 02/04/04 05:37 AM

Shakari,

By chance in your travels have you run across a PH by the name of Paul Jelonek of Bundu Safaris? If so, what are your thoughts and/or impressions of him?

Secondly, I have found the Selous area on the map but am not sure where the Masailand region is, could you let me know. Thanks in advance.

All the best,
AKPH

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shakari
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Re: A different question for Shakari [Re: AlaskanPH]
      #12900 - 02/04/04 05:46 AM

AlaskanPH

There are 2 companies that I know of trading under that name. One has a pretty good reputation, and the other.....

Can you let me know where they are based? As to the PH, it's not a name I know of. Again, could you let me know a little more about him. Such as where he operates and/or where he qualified etc.

The Masailand hunting areas are about 2-3 hours drive from Arusha or Kilimangaro airports. As the name suggests it's an area owned by the Masai tribe. The area holds the northern species such as gerenuk, lesser kudu, and the gazelles. for some reason they don't generally hunt Elephant there.

Selous incidentally is the largest 'True Wilderness Area' and National Park in the world.

Hope that helps

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Steve "Shakari" Robinson
Kuduland Safaris (Africa) Ltd
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AlaskanPH
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Re: A different question for Shakari [Re: shakari]
      #12902 - 02/04/04 06:03 AM

Shakari,

Thanks for the quick response and the clarification on the Masailand question.

Paul works in conjunction with Wild Footprints, I believe, which is owned by the Shallom Family and he hunts primarily in the Kilombero Valley in Tanzania and the Kalahari in South Africa. Hope that helps a bit and look forward to your reply.

AKPH

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Re: A different question for Shakari [Re: AlaskanPH]
      #12903 - 02/04/04 06:23 AM

In that case I don't know him....sorry.

If you're thinking of a hunt in Kilombero you need to be very cautious about malaria & bilharzia. A lot of the area is wet and a large percentage of the hunting is from boats.

some of the companies there will first tell you that you don't need a charter plane and then once they think they have hooked they tell you that the train is always delayed and you need their charter, but if you check it out you'll find their charter price is 3 times the price of the other companies. .....so make sure you know what is included and what is not in their package price. some of the companies there are good, so please don't think I'm tarring them all with the same brush.

You don't say what type of hunt you're researching, but if it's Buff or cats I would suggest there's better areas than Kilombero.......but don't think I'm trying to give you the hard sell. If you're interested, you'll look at my website and if not then I'll still advise as best I can.

Wherever you look in TZ you need to remember that the TZ government charge a plethora of small additional charges such as rifle import, licence fee, conservation fee, concession fee, community development fee etc etc. So make sure that you get a comprehensive safari contract spelling out all charges and stating that there are no additional charges other than those specified......also be aware that the tips add up dramatically. It's not unusual to have 15-20 staff in camp and even if you give them an average of US$25 per person it can add up to an appreciative amount of money.

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Re: A different question for Shakari [Re: shakari]
      #12907 - 02/04/04 06:53 AM

Thanks for the info Shakari, I really appreciate your input.

I am thinking about a lion hunt with Paul in 2006. I have spoken with him and he has been 100% on lion since 1998 (when he started hunting this particular concession) and only takes three a year, all of them mature 7+ year old males and from the photos and videos I've seen they have all had very nice manes, which is my primary concern with regards to a lion. I have also spoken with two of my clients who have hunted with Paul and they had nothing but glowing recommendations about him and the area.

This would be my third safari to Africa, as my wife and I spent a month in Zimbabwe in 2001 hunting in Dande and near KweKwe (taking buffalo, sable, kudu, eland, zebra and impala) and then I spent three weeks there this past November / December hunting in the Makuti area, where I had booked a last minute cancellation lion hunt (I should and do know better than that - "If it sounds to good to be true than it probably is" - as it was in this case) but it actually was a great hunt and I had the absolute thrill of hunting and shooting an elephant, quite the rush!and also finally got a nice warthog.

Due to my guiding season and schedule here in Alaska, I am not available until the middle of November to go on safari so I am looking at a 21 day safari starting about November 20th or so.

I appreciate and thank you for your thoughts and input and look forward to anymore you might have. Oh, and I'll be sure to take a look at your website.

AKPH

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shakari
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Re: A different question for Shakari [Re: AlaskanPH]
      #12909 - 02/04/04 07:21 AM

Well the Lions there certainly have much better manes than in the Selous. Each concession area is allowed to take 4 Lions per year on quota, (same for Leopard) but can normally get a further 2 on special application, there's also a certain amount of quota swapping goes in amongst neighbours. We have 2 areas side by side and I guess we average 4-6 per Lions year over the two areas. We have really good Lion populations and hear them almost every night around camp, but it is pretty rare for us to take one with a really good mane.......most are pretty tatty and we explain this to the clients and offer them the option of transferring to our Masailand area if the prefer. Some do and some don't.

Sounds like you enjoyed Zim...... it's (or at least was) a great place, and a good place for Elephant. TZ has ultra strict size and weight limitations for tusks and the penalties to the PH for taking an undersize one are horrendous.......so we all spend our Elephant hunting time creeping up to Elephants, studying them and then creeping away again!......they must wonder what the hell's going on

If you're hunting Kilombero mid November onwards for 21 days you should remember to take a good pair of waterproof boots and jacket, but I guess as you hunt where you do, you probably have them already......It might be a good idea to ask them if they have an area in Masailand as the rains arrive later there and the Masailand areas are fabulous for Lion. you could also take the northern species which are a big attraction. You would probably get much the same price as Kilombero at that time of year and you don't need a charter either.

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Re: A different question for Shakari [Re: shakari]
      #12910 - 02/04/04 07:37 AM

Thanks again for your thoughts and I'll ask about the Masailand concession and also will be taking a look at your website soon.

What are the TZ requirements for elephant? If I remember correctly it has something to do with the lenght of tusk from the lip but is there another part to the formula and do both tusks have to pass the formula or only one side?

I love Zim. and am furious that Mugabe is driving his country right into the ground!

By the way, if you don't mind me asking, what does "Shakari" mean?

AKPH

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Re: A different question for Shakari [Re: AlaskanPH]
      #12916 - 02/04/04 10:13 AM

Tusks have be a minimum of 20kgs/44lbs per side and 1.2 metres outside the lip. Applies to both tusks. Penalty to the PH for allowing the client to shoot an undersized Elephant is a maximum fine of twice the trophy fee and possible forfit of the tusks. It's never happened to me, but I know 3 guys it has happened to. Boy, it really hurt them.

I almost stuffed up last year. We spent a full hour watching a magnificent bull that was half asleep in some thick bush. The tusk nearest to me was fabulous and I was sure I could see the other side. It looked the same shape, size and colour and it even moved every time the bull moved it's head.

Just as I was about to get the client set up to take the shot the elephant swung it's head towards us and I realised that the far tusk was snapped off halfway down and what I thought was a tusk was a white curved branch that he must have been using as a scratching post making it move every time he moved his head. .......another 30 seconds and he would have been on the ground! To say that we were all disappointed as we pulled back from the elephant would be the understatement of the decade.....actually, I was thanking my lucky stars

TZ also has the same sort of thing with Leopard (amingst others) and as you know they also only allow males of all species to be taken. (except croc) When I hunt Mr Spots I cut a blaze on the tree a set distance from the bait so that I know how long it is as soon as he gets to the bait, and I don't allow the client to shoot until I've had a sure sight of his balls!

I got the name Shakari from the guy who got me into African hunting 25 years ago. (sometimes it feels like 250 years ago) He was an Anglo Indian who had spent his youth in India moved to Africa in his twenties and became a PH.... he also became the best friend I've ever known and was the finest man I've ever known. In India when you go on a hunt you go on Shikar and the hunter is called the Shakari....so I guess the short answer is Shakari means hunter. It's also the name I used to write under in my early days of writing for the various (mostly British) hunting magazines.

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Steve "Shakari" Robinson
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Re: A different question for Shakari [Re: AlaskanPH]
      #12917 - 02/04/04 11:34 AM

AKPH

Another alternative spelling for "Shikari" is "Shekarry". If you can get hold of any of the books by Henry Asbury Leveson, who published under the nom de plume "The Old Shekarry", there are some fascinating accounts of hunting in India. Titles to look for are: "Sport in Many Lands", "Forest of the Field". He also had stories in the "Tales fom the Outposts" series. Volume 10 is devoted to "Shikar"

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Re: A different question for Shakari [Re: shakari]
      #13087 - 06/04/04 05:45 AM

Shakari and 470Rigby,

Thank you both for the information and book recommendations!

All the best,
AKPH

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