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Bramble
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Re: Boycott Barnes Bullets! [Re: Ripp]
      #128836 - 06/03/09 07:09 AM

Before I would accept any study these days I would wish to know from whence came the funding for the "impartial" scientist.

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Re: Boycott Barnes Bullets! [Re: Bramble]
      #128840 - 06/03/09 08:03 AM

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Before I would accept any study these days I would wish to know from whence came the funding for the "impartial" scientist.



Although I understand and sympathize with your feelings, I am terribly distressed to hear you say it. This is an outcome of scientists allowing their biases to interfere with their objectivity. It is for this very reason that I counsel scientists to stay out of environmental advocacy.

By allowing advocacy to creep into science, we now have a situation where science is believed or dismissed based on the outcome. If someone doesn’t like the report, it is considered “cooked” and buried. If someone agrees with the report, it is paraded on the stage like a trained bear.

That’s not the way science should be. My reports are what they are, no matter how much out of favor it might make me. When I was a graduate student I had an eye-opening experience. I will never forget the night before my presentation at an important conference, when my major professor came to my hotel room and said, “you have to change the conclusions section of your paper. The wind is blowing the other way.” My paper was good science, and I did not change it. I did change major professors, and dropped that fellow like a hot potato.

Science should be published in peer-reviewed journals, and everyone who is qualified to judge should scrutinize the papers critically. Only then can we trust the results. And, scientists should stay out of politics. It tarnished our credibility, and NEVER does any good.

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Ripp
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Re: Boycott Barnes Bullets! [Re: Tatume]
      #128858 - 06/03/09 01:07 PM

Tatume,

Agree with you completely--but, there has been so much biased bullshit set forth by the scientific community, I am afraid the damage is done and it will take some time before the masses will accept what the scientific community puts forth...perfect case in point is the global warming issue..

Having said that, it isn't just the scientific community doing this. Many are a player in this game..



Ripp

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Re: Boycott Barnes Bullets! [Re: Ripp]
      #128878 - 06/03/09 07:14 PM

Trust nowone and question everything, thats how I raise my children and the way I was brought up.

Humans are better of not nowing and understanding what is happening around them, but a small goroup as the greens are making to much noise and the politicans are using it to get votes. The average human believes what stands in the paper and what he hears on the radio, whitout question it, not as Bramble who has an good idea how it realy works.

Thats why hunters and farmers should make themself heard, in a reasent study at least 60% of men and 45% of women in sweden ar pro hunting (if i remember right) and still the 3% greens are taking the rodder . Hell we have 300,000 (9 mil. pop.) that every year pays the hunting-card fee to the goverment, thats the ones that are active hunters, not included their wifes, friend, kids, relatives or old retired hunters (and poachers).

Btw, scientists should never agree with each other, they should always try to get new proof that the other ones conclusion was wrong.

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bwananelson
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Re: Boycott Barnes Bullets! [Re: Ripp]
      #129700 - 16/03/09 08:26 AM

cant hunt ducks with lead shot today.shooting ranges are getting flack about lead.i guess if you really want to be green use a bow.but barnes has been good to hunting and hunters for years i wont boycott them i applaude them.half the big game species in north america have fallen to my barnes bullets and none i repeat none had to be shot twice,did not have to blood trail them either none went more than 20 yards not even the grizzly.thier contribution to conservation groups has been great.they are hunters like you and i.if you look close they are being copied alot.so they must be doing something right.sorry yopu dont get my vote on this one

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