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Huvius
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Re: Question .577 NE [Re: bonanza]
      #125768 - 04/02/09 01:17 AM

This action never really looked right to me for some reason.
For a top lever hammer, I prefer island back action locks such as on the Rodda at Vintage Doubles

http://www.vintagedoubles.com/inventory....mages/990_1.jpg

Way less money to boot...but, as stated above, not a 577 although they also have a Lyon & Lyon in 577BPE as well.

Also, the shell in the case at Cabela's looks like a 3 incher. Makes me wonder if the chambers are unaltered. Could be there just for effect.

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Re: Question .577 NE [Re: Huvius]
      #125771 - 04/02/09 02:51 AM

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This action never really looked right to me for some reason.
For a top lever hammer, I prefer island back action locks such as on the Rodda at Vintage Doubles

http://www.vintagedoubles.com/inventory....mages/990_1.jpg

Way less money to boot...but, as stated above, not a 577 although they also have a Lyon & Lyon in 577BPE as well.

Also, the shell in the case at Cabela's looks like a 3 incher. Makes me wonder if the chambers are unaltered. Could be there just for effect.




Kirby is a good guy to deal with if looking for a fairly priced vintage double, though most if not all of his inventory is not collector grade.

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Re: Question .577 NE [Re: ]
      #125774 - 04/02/09 03:02 AM

Top Lever Hammer Guns. Not trying to pick a fight here, and remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder but these look great. Below is a picture of my Grandfathers Westley Richards 12 bore shotgun.



I am greatly attached to this old shot gun, she is still good and tight and in great shape despite all the abuse I gave her as a kid. I used to hunt rabbits at night in the sugar beet fields in Norfolk, UK. Once the harvest had started I would drive round the fields at night using a little IH B250 tractor, stick shift, hand throttle, (no cab) and operate a hammer 12 g. I had a sack hung on the back of the tractor and 2 dozen rabbits a night was the norm. Please no comments on safe gun handling, I was young and foolish then, and it was great fun.

I love the look of the old undelever hammer guns but I find them slow and awkward as I am not used to them. I would not hesitate is taking a top lever hammer rifle for use against dangerous game and due to my familiarity with this style I do not believe I would be handicapped in any way. That is why this old .577 NE caught my eye.

Edited by John (04/02/09 06:00 AM)

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Re: Question .577 NE [Re: John]
      #125781 - 04/02/09 05:52 AM

I don't know anything about this rifle, and I'm not trying to sell it. But if I were in the market for a .577 2 3/4" BPE at a reasonable price, I think I would call about this rifle:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/detail.cfm?id=100063964&string=cid=104

Plain, but looks to be in decent shape. A nice old TL Birmingham hammer double rifle.




With that ladder sight you could really launch some lead downrange!

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Re: Question .577 NE [Re: CptCurl]
      #125785 - 04/02/09 07:00 AM

Forgive me for such a basic question; as I am not a handloader, is the .577 BPE strickly a handloaders round? No place to get custom loaded ammo?

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Edited by Der_Jaeger (04/02/09 07:57 AM)

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Re: Question .577 NE [Re: Der_Jaeger]
      #125786 - 04/02/09 07:24 AM

Yes.

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Re: Question .577 NE [Re: Der_Jaeger]
      #125802 - 04/02/09 01:51 PM

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Forgive me for such a basic question; as I am not a handloader, is the .577 BPE strickly a handloaders round? No place to get custom loaded ammo?



What Mickey said, for sure.

For a little discussion of loading for the .577 2 3/4" BPE look at this thread:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=99467&an=0&page=0#Post99467

In my opinion, every double rifle is a handloading proposition to get the best out of it.

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Re: Question .577 NE [Re: Marrakai]
      #126954 - 14/02/09 07:42 AM

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There were apparently several 'light nitro' loads for the .577 x 2 3/4: the 65gr Cordite load equalling the original BP cartridge, a 75gr Cordite load, and the 90gr Cordite or 'full nitro' load.

There was also a 750gr projectile load for the 2 3/4 case.

Here's my take on the .577 x 2 3/4 cartridge, for those who haven't seen it before: .577 Light Nitro

John: I wouldn't let a decent 2 3/4 chambered .577 double get away if I were you. They are simply marvellous things.




I build strictly .577 2 3/4 full nitro load guns. Whats this you ask? Basically its two loads that Kynoch offers for sale and gives the 2 3/4" real punch. One is 650 grain bullet at 1950FPS for about 5500FPE. The second is a 750 grain bullet at 1800FPS for about 5600FPE. Recoil is stout, but very manageable and I can shoot 20 rounds easily (one of the reason I like this cartridge). There is not an animal on the planet that would not be stopped with either of these loads. It creates a large wound channel, and a big thump to the game.

My hand loads to match the Kynoch stuff is as follows:

750SN Woodleigh, 118 Grains H4350, 1800FPS, ~5600FPE, 1 foam wad, F 215 primer.

650SN Woodleigh, 125 Grains IMR4831, 1950FPS, ~5500FPE, 1 foam wad, F 215 primer.

I don't think either of these exceeds 10 tons pressure, and the cases just fall out.


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Re: Question .577 NE [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #126960 - 14/02/09 08:12 AM



Curl - you are nasty - those are beautiful - what a great grizzly load - and rifle!

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Re: Question .577 NE [Re: DarylS]
      #127029 - 14/02/09 11:29 PM

Daryl,

Just wish I could hunt a grizzly with it. Rich man's sport.

It sure did flatten an 8pt whitetail last November.

Don't you just love those pinstripes?

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