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shakari
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New Hunting Information Website
      #120837 - 10/12/08 10:51 PM

Folks
Over the last year or so, Mrs Shakari (aka Susan) and I have been developing a new African hunting information website at www.shakariconnection.com.

The site comprises of over 250 pages, covers about 170 species in 12 African countries and the entire content is deliberately unbiased and completely factual. Subjects are many and varied and we’ve tried to cover every single aspect of African hunting safaris.

The idea of the site is to make it as easy as possible for anyone considering an African hunting safari to gather the correct information to ensure they choose a suitable safari for their own particular needs, tastes and finances. We also hope that the site will be useful to our colleagues in the industry.

You’ll find contributions from those we consider the leaders in their fields throughout the site. These articles will be increased as time progresses and if anyone thinks we’ve missed anything, please let us know. The site will be very regularly updated, so we recommend you visit regularly to keep up to date with any possible changes and additions.

For those interested, we will, in the fullness of time be accepting ads from appropriate companies such as ethical agents, hunting companies, PHs, outfitters and outdoor equipment dealers etc. Price will not be our primary consideration with ads, quality and reputation of the companies will.

We’d like to thank those people who have helped us with their knowledge, input, support and discretion in keeping the address quiet until we were ready to go public. I won’t embarrass them by naming them publicly, but they know who they are.

So please visit www.shakariconnection.com and let us know what you think.

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Steve "Shakari" Robinson
Kuduland Safaris (Africa) Ltd
info@kuduland.com
www.kuduland.com



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Bramble
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Re: New Hunting Information Website [Re: shakari]
      #120861 - 11/12/08 03:30 AM

Well done Steve !!!

That was quite a task to set yourself and Susan.

I have just briefly scratched the surface, but wanted to immediatly offer my congratulations.

By the way have you seen the tall fellow recently or is he still nesting Need to shake him loose and get something arranged for us all next year.

Regards Mark


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shakari
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Re: New Hunting Information Website [Re: Bramble]
      #120864 - 11/12/08 03:52 AM

Hi Mark,

No mate, all I've had was one phone call - but I'll try to call him tomorrow and kick his arse. - As you say, we need to get organised for next year!

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Steve "Shakari" Robinson
Kuduland Safaris (Africa) Ltd
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Re: New Hunting Information Website [Re: shakari]
      #120873 - 11/12/08 06:35 AM

You certainly have put a lot of effort into that,its a one stop supermarket for the would be African hunter,well done.

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Paul
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Re: New Hunting Information Website [Re: gryphon]
      #121092 - 13/12/08 06:24 PM

A very useful guide,Steve.
Are the fences on the large, fenced South African private properties so high that any game taken would be considered 'behind the wire' or 'canned'? Does SCI have any position on trophies taken from these places?

Thanks
- Paul


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shakari
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Re: New Hunting Information Website [Re: Paul]
      #121101 - 13/12/08 07:33 PM

The vast majority of hunting areas in SA are game fenced and the fences are usually at least 2 metres high. Some of the smaller animals can get under or through the fence and some such as eland, can and do sometimes jump the fence but nevertheless the fence does contain most of the animals. However the fences are there and consequently the animals hunted within them are taken 'behind the wire' but one must realise that these areas are usually very large indeed and although a lot depends on point of view, my opinion is that plains game that are hunted in these areas are perfectly legitimate and not canned in any way. SCI and Rowland Ward etc obviously agree wih me because they both accept these animals into the books without any discrimination.

However, with Dangerous Game, I personally believe that things are different and even more open to personal opinion and interpretation. First one has to define canned hunting and that to me is any animal that has been born, raised or spent any appreciable time in confinement or in the company of humans OR is under the influence of any sedating drug at the time of being shot etc. As far as I'm concerned, the people who take part in that kind of disgusting and disgraceful practice should be tied to a tree for Leopard bait.

Then we have the DG animals that live in these large but fenced areas but live naturally as far as food etc goes. I guess it's up to each individual to decide whether they want to hunt these DG animals or not. I don't condemn people who do that, but personally I won't guide any DG hunt (excepting Rhino which I'll get onto later) in a fenced area. I personally believe the only right way to hunt these DG animals is in unnfenced true wilderness areas and as far as I'm concerned, there's no such thing in SA.

I believe the closest you can get to this are the areas adjoining areas such as the KNP and as I see it, these animals are habituated to humans and vehicles. Admittedly, this doesn't make them any less dangerous, but it does mean they behave differently.

With Lions for example, one of the great give aways between a canned Lion and a habituated Lion is to look for scars. A Lion that's spent his life in a cage etc will have very few scars, whereas a Lion that's lived a more natural life, will have had to fight for his rights and will have battle scars to prove it.

It should be noted that most record book organisations either don't accept SA Lions into their books or have separate sections for them.

Regading Rhino, the cold hard fact is that you would be hard pressed to find any that can be hunted and don't live in fenced areas. In SA, you certainly won't, because the law requires that they be fenced in. You've also got to remember that Rhino are as dumb as a sack of shit, and for example, in the old days, one of the games that Zulu kids used to play was for one to sneak up to a sleeping rhino and place a stone on his back, and the next kid had to sneak up and take it off again.

Personally, I think the more challenging and sporting way to hunt a Rhino is to do with a dart gun........ it's also a shit load of fun.

Hope that helps

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Steve "Shakari" Robinson
Kuduland Safaris (Africa) Ltd
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Paul
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Re: New Hunting Information Website [Re: shakari]
      #121105 - 13/12/08 11:29 PM

Thanks Steve,

Yes, it helps very much.

Buffalo would be the only DG I could aspire to - and I take it you don't see them as a sporting proposition even on the largest fenced areas. Might have to gather lots of bottled water and think Zimbabwe.

- Paul


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Re: New Hunting Information Website [Re: Paul]
      #121108 - 14/12/08 01:47 AM

Paul,

They're no less dangerous behind a game fence than they are in a true wilderness area, but the difference is that in SA the individual animal you're going to shoot may very well be known by the owner and tracker etc and they may very well even know how big he measures because he's been darted and measured at some stage. In many cases, when you book a Buff hunt in SA, the owner will tell the PH or the tracker exactly which animal you're allowed to shoot before you even arrive. That kind of hunting just ain't my style and that's why I choose not to do it myself or offer it to my clients.

If you're on a tight budget and want to hunt Buff, I'd recommend you consider Zim or Mozambique and if budget isn't you're primary consideration, I'd recommend Tanzania.

In all cases, don't go for the cheapest package on offer, because if you'll buy cheap, you'll get cheap and that's just gonna give you headaches at every step of the way. Instead, you need to look very carefully indeed at the quality of the package on offer and choose whatever you consider the best quality for your dollar.

One giveaway you should look for is a lot of discounts. If someone's offering a lot of discounts, you can be sure he's desperate and if he's desperate for business, there's a reason for it......... so caution is advised.

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Steve "Shakari" Robinson
Kuduland Safaris (Africa) Ltd
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Re: New Hunting Information Website [Re: Paul]
      #121166 - 14/12/08 05:21 PM

Quote:

Buffalo would be the only DG I could aspire to - and I take it you don't see them as a sporting proposition even on the largest fenced areas. Might have to gather lots of bottled water and think Zimbabwe.




Paul,

Short tuskless and cow elephant hunts in Zimbabwe are the cheapest dangerous game hunts around. Cheaper than cape buffalo. No trophy but the photos and the memories. WELL worth the fun. I would do it every year if I could. Some regard hunting the Zambezi ladies in herds also as more risk of danger than bulls or buffs.

I would also look at Zim for a short buffalo hunt as well.

Remember Zim is probably relatively cheap at the moment for a reason - ie politics, but if planned properly, the sky does not fall in over there and unless one is very unlucky, the safari will be a great experience.

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Re: New Hunting Information Website [Re: Paul]
      #121178 - 14/12/08 07:12 PM

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. Might have to gather lots of bottled water and think Zimbabwe.

- Paul




Most Zim outfits have bottled water plus there's plenty of Springs to refill your bottles.


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Re: New Hunting Information Website [Re: Paul]
      #121183 - 14/12/08 11:01 PM

Zimbabwe buffalo's are not very cheap! Cheaper is buffalo hunting in West Africa especially Burkina Faso and Benin. The buffalo's and the trophy's are a little bit smaller but the country and the hunting action is the same...And you have a lot of red buffalo's!

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