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doubleriflejack
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Rebarrel original Farquharson, Gibbs type
      #120622 - 08/12/08 10:23 AM

Gibbs type original Farquharson .450 black powder express, if one were to rebarrel for nitro cartridge, would that be safe and possible? For keeping best value, would it be better to keep it in original caliber? Barrel bore is pitted a bit, so I thought about rebareling in nitro cartridge of suitable size for action. What would you suggest, you Farquharson fans?

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Re: Rebarrel original Farquharson, Gibbs type [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #120631 - 08/12/08 11:28 AM

As a strict non-expert my suggestion is to post LOTS OF PICS so we can assess your best option.

I am about to start shooting a 500/450 No 1 BP Express. I feel it better to keep the original barrel and calibre if it is overall in good condition, UNLESS your possible project rifle will be something indisputably better. That means to me, a staggeringly nice stock, show-class gunsmithing in another rare calibre (British and flanged), best blacking and maybe cased up with the requisites.

The 450 BPE case is satisfyingly impressive in size. The ballistics are gentle, comparable with mild modern loads for light bullets in a 45-70. What could be sweeter to shoot? And in that action you could load for heavier bullets without the problems of regulating in a double.

See how it shoots before changing it. You may find you like, or love, it as-is. If not, let us know...

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Re: Rebarrel original Farquharson, Gibbs type [Re: ChrisPer]
      #120634 - 08/12/08 11:39 AM

Many pitted barrels can be very well salvaged by lead lapping & fire lapping even in extreme cases. We've done a few with excellent results. Firelapped barrels I've done have shot extremely well with black powder loads as long as a black powder lube was used like SPG or Lyman's Black Powder Gold. Excessive fouling did not happen. .457/8 cal. has many bore-riding style bullets (long noses) that do an impressive job of lapping the lands as well as the grooves. Saving the original along with it's stampings is well worth the attempt.

If re-barreling, I'd go for a shorter, 2.4" to 2.875" case with faster than normal twist - ie: 18" for heavy bullets. It would then become a long range rifle.

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Re: Rebarrel original Farquharson, Gibbs type [Re: DarylS]
      #120636 - 08/12/08 12:42 PM

If it's "pitted a bit" shoot it! My Henry single shot was a mess inside so it's getting a fresh tube with henry rifling. Complete with a 450 BPE chamber.
It'll hold value much better if it is all origional.

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Re: Rebarrel original Farquharson, Gibbs type [Re: AkMike]
      #120639 - 08/12/08 02:24 PM

If it is an original Farq., keep it original.
I notice you say Gibbs type - post pics and you will quickly find out exactly what it is from other NE members. You will see a lot of guns, such as the 1897 Westley Richards,called a Farquharson, but they are not.

A little pitting is a little problem. Non original barrel (especially in a very rare gun) is a big problem. Whatever you do, keep the original barrel.

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Re: Rebarrel original Farquharson, Gibbs type [Re: Huvius]
      #120645 - 08/12/08 04:25 PM

Mr. doubleriflejack:

By all means, post a picture or seven of the rifle and action.

The first thing to do with the rifle is to see if it shoots. It is surprising how well some bad looking bores shoot. If it doesn't shoot you have nothing to lose by fire lapping or some other lapping technique. I have not done it but have heard reports of it working and if the barrel won't shoot you are not going to hurt it.

If that doesn't work, by all means rebarrel it. I differ with the "original at any cost" school. What good is a rifle that doesn't shoot? You might just as well collect stamps instead, they are easier to store and don't hurt as much when you drop one on your foot. Certainly no one in their right mind would take apart a fine condition original, but that is not what you are describing. A quality rebarrel job in original configuration, or even a complete restoration makes a lot more sense than tossing it in a closet and forgetting about it.

Best of luck, and enjoy the Farquharson!

Glenn

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Re: Rebarrel original Farquharson, Gibbs type [Re: Glenn_Fewless]
      #120680 - 09/12/08 03:59 AM

Glenn- the words 'pitted a bit' mean to me it is a normal condition rifle in good shape.

Firelapping is easy and only takes 5 to 40 rounds depending on the 'conditon'. I usually only firelapp if the bore looks really bad and normal lead lapping can't 'save' it.

My M71/76 Mauser is case-in-point with a horrid, sewer pipe condition (looked worse than that). The bore was salvaged enough by firelapping with 40 rounds, that it now puts out 5 shot 3" groups at 100 meters with black powder or smokeless. With it's short 20" carbine barrel I'm quite tickled by it's accuracy. Original sights being used, of course. What this shows, is that many bores in very bad conditon can be saved & I believe this one is one of those salvagable ones.

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Re: Rebarrel original Farquharson, Gibbs type [Re: DarylS]
      #127828 - 23/02/09 01:13 PM

Doubleriflejack,
What did you decide to do?
My interest in Gibbs Farqs is at a high point right now...

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