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Steve450
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Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70
      #120543 - 07/12/08 01:22 PM

I've got a cohort who's looking for a new deer rifle. He's narrowed it down to a Kimber 8400 and one of the new Winchester Model 70 Featherweight Deluxes.

He's impressed with both, but hasn't shot the Winchester.

Anybody willing to give an opinion of both/either?

Thanks,
Steve450

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tinker
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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: Steve450]
      #120546 - 07/12/08 03:14 PM

Steve-


I have handled/shot/seen neither of them.

That said, good luck to your friend...


More important, Welcome to NitroExpress!!
Stick around and look through our archives.
There might be comments on these rifles already here on our site.




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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: tinker]
      #120564 - 07/12/08 10:17 PM


I had a Kimber Classic in .338 Win. Mag and loved it. For me, I'd go with the Kimber because they seem to be a better made gun in every aspect; fit, finish, match grade barrels and chamber, trigger, and accuracy. I haven't handled the Winchester, so all I can say is I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Kimber.

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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: Der_Jaeger]
      #120566 - 07/12/08 10:37 PM

Although I don't have an M8400, I own several Kimbers and they are very nice. They have everything, accuracy, dependability, good fit and finish, and nice wood.

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Steve450
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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: Tatume]
      #120886 - 11/12/08 10:11 AM

Thanks for the warm welcome and the advice.

I had a chance to look over the Kimmber today. Fit and finish were impressive. When the time comes for me to get a new rifle, I'll likely get one. In the mean time, I think my buddy's going to buy one, so perhaps I'll get a chance to test drive it.

Thanks again,
Steve

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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: Steve450]
      #120892 - 11/12/08 11:03 AM

Welcome to a fine forum.
The newest version of the M-70 is a unknown and unproven entity. There aren't many if any out there and I have a feeling they aren't much. The only one I have seen is a featherweight at a local shop and it is very crooked in the stock. Makes me think the barrel is not square in the receiver. A common M70 problem. If he was looking at a New Haven built classic then maybe, MAYBE that would be a choice. The 84, 8400, Montana, Sonora, Caprivi, Talkeetna have it all over any factory M-70. I have had a few Kimbers and still currently have a Caprivi and they are a wonderfully done mass produced gun.

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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: Caprivi]
      #120917 - 11/12/08 06:00 PM

I think you will find the Kimber is the cheapest custom rifle youll find!!!

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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: paradox_]
      #120935 - 12/12/08 01:07 AM

Looked at a little Kimber yesterday that had just shown up, in a 257 Roberts caliber no less...looked like an awesome little gun..and agree with most on here, from what I have seen, the Kimber offers better quality control for the money..

The only negative I have heard regarding Kimber, a friend of mine who works for a sporting goods shop in Billings stated they had several unhappy clients with the Montana model in 300 WSM as to accuracy..not sure if that was ever taken care of ...but personally, I hear more good than bad..

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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: Ripp]
      #120939 - 12/12/08 01:18 AM

I am a great fan of the Winchester M70 Classic and pre-64 rifles. They were unfairly tarred in the press.

I haven't seen one of the new M70's, but the fact that they abandoned the wonderful M70 trigger is a negative to me. Who wants a stamped Rem/Timney/Etc. trigger when the M70 failsafe trigger is out there to be had.

Can't say I am familiar with the new Kimbers either. I know in the past that mark has suffered from terrible QC atrocities.

I would go for as M70 in some form. Maybe not the newest one, and certainly not the push feed.

Just my $0.02
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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: CptCurl]
      #121155 - 14/12/08 02:02 PM

The only negative I have heard regarding Kimber, a friend of mine who works for a sporting goods shop in Billings stated they had several unhappy clients with the Montana model in 300 WSM as to accuracy..not sure if that was ever taken care of ...but personally, I hear more good than bad..

This is a common 300wsm/light gun problem. There has been some accuracy concerns with factory ammo, couple that with a light gun/ light barrel and high recoil.



I know in the past that mark has suffered from terrible QC atrocities.

?????? What are these ?????


That said I have a dear friend (thou hard headed) who, him, and his wife each shoot a Montana. She a 260 He a 300wm, both are 2" guns. I offered to look thru them to see what was up. He is insistant on using a handlod with Barnes TSX.
Hers with a 20yr old Leupold 2.5-8 shoots around 2" with a 130tsx. I tried a favorite load with a 129horn, still 2". I put here scope on a .300" .223 of mine and it shoot 2". He doesn't believe its the scope. Oh' well.
His 3oo is also about 2" at 100. Misses the 2 foot target at 300yds. I tried 5 shots with 180 Noslers. Under a 1" at 100 and 2" at 300. He is sure its the gun and not his loads. Again Oh" well.

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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: Caprivi]
      #121172 - 14/12/08 06:18 PM

My pick would be the Kimber and not in a short magnum.

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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: ozhunter]
      #121189 - 15/12/08 12:34 AM

Kimber in 7mm-08

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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #121819 - 22/12/08 07:08 AM

Quote:

Kimber in 7mm-08



I had one of these a couple of years ago and could not get it to shoot. Replaced it with a Sako 75 which certainly does shoot.....

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Re: Kimber 8400 vs. New Win Model 70 [Re: Steve450]
      #121969 - 23/12/08 12:23 PM

I have a friend who is on his second barrel on a Super America and it still isn't right. Current issue is the chamber is not quite concentric to the bore but Kimber says it's "in spec".

One thing to keep in mind is that the Kimber's only feed rounds from the magazine. You can't just drop a round into the chamber and close the bolt like on a pre-64 Model 70 or Mauser. I have not seen one of the new Model 70's so have no comment on them.

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