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AspenHill
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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: Der_Jaeger]
#119976 - 01/12/08 11:29 PM

Same outfit has a very bad hippo hunt on video. Hippos are extremely difficult to kill with an arrow and those guys showed just how.

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: AspenHill]
#119980 - 02/12/08 12:31 AM

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Same outfit has a very bad hippo hunt on video. Hippos are extremely difficult to kill with an arrow and those guys showed just how.

You are all obviously missing the point.

What escapes you is the amazing skill and courage necessary to administer hippo-sized doses of intravenous methadone and diazepam.

This video coming to Youtube soon under the heading "Hippo Doping", by Doctor Hunter...

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: 9.3x57]
#119988 - 02/12/08 01:21 AM

I wrote that this clip makes me ashamed of being a bowhunter. Of course not all bowhunters are so pathetic. But very often, bowhunters are offered shortcuts to easier hunting and lead to verge on the unethical side of hunting.

Obviously the client is a Spaniard and the PH seems to speak English with an Africaan accent, RSA ?
The lion is one-eyed, his left eye is white.

I did a quick research on the outfitter, Ras Safaris.

RAS SAFARIS

Funny RAS, in French this acronym means “nothing to point out”.
Note that they aren’t good at spelling.

First some ludicrous announce in the end of the first page of the website : “Now join us for some of the hunts we have done in resent time...” I love the use of RESENT time. As though they foresee that we all will resent their attitude.

Furthermore what stinks is the list of hunting areas : Our expedtions include tours to ....where you will... ........not very informative.
In the big game hunting page they offer the Caprivi strip, stressing that lion are FREE ROAMING. Further they offer RSA also for the big 5, lion included.

And as Shakari has pointed, no names of PH or outfits???
Not the company I'd choose, definitely.

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: larcher]
#119993 - 02/12/08 01:49 AM

Thanks for the info, Larcher.

These videos IMO don't have much affect on Anti-hunters because they are committed against us anyhow. But such stuff DOES have an affect on Non-hunters who are, of course, the largest group out there and the group that can have the most negative impact on hunting as a sport due to political pressure.

AFAIK; doesn't RSA have some new "anti-canned lion hunt laws"?

Obviously that would not impact things in Namibia, unless they do too?

Certainly these guys are really stupid but would they be stupid enough to post a really obviously canned hunt in an area where it is banned?

The question for the Suid Afrikaanse here is; How well are anti-canned hunting laws enforced if these exist atall?

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: shakari]
#119996 - 02/12/08 02:32 AM

I have to agree,that lion was doped to the eyeballs.
His eyes were glazed and ears limp and at one stage during the clip it looked like his donk was hanging out.
Typical of a drugged animal.
What a pathetic bunch of ARSEHOLES !

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
#120005 - 02/12/08 04:24 AM

The SA Government were all set to introduce legislation that would effectively ban canned Lion hunting - in fact, the requirement was that the Lions had to be self sufficient for a minimum (if I remember correctly) 2 years before they could be hunted.

Pretty much at the last moment, the canned Lion operators published a seriously ridiculous report and threatened to challenge the Government in court if they persisted with the ban and the spineless SOBs in the Government backed down and took Lion off the list with the excuse they didn't consider captive Lions to be large predators............. quite how they work that one out, I simply don't know.

The current situation is a little bit in limbo but hopefully the act will be amended to ban such practices.

Whilst I'm not for a moment suggesting it's true, there's also a lot of rumours that some of these captives are mysteriously migrating across some of the SA borders.

You wouldn't think a Lion in a cage could manage to migrate would you?

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: shakari]
#120006 - 02/12/08 04:28 AM

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The SA Government were all set to introduce legislation that would effectively ban canned Lion hunting - in fact, the requirement was that the Lions had to be self sufficient for a minimum (if I remember correctly) 2 years before they could be hunted.

Pretty much at the last moment, the canned Lion operators published a seriously ridiculous report and threatened to challenge the Government in court if they persisted with the ban and the spineless SOBs in the Government backed down and took Lion off the list with the excuse they didn't consider captive Lions to be large predators............. quite how they work that one out, I simply don't know.

The current situation is a little bit in limbo but hopefully the act will be amended to ban such practices.

Whilst I'm not for a moment suggesting it's true, there's also a lot of rumours that some of these captives are mysteriously migrating across some of the SA borders.

You wouldn't think a Lion in a cage could manage to migrate would you?

LMAO

Shakari - your sense of humour in your posts on such a bad subject makes me laugh.

"they didn't consider captive Lions to be large predators"

"some of these captives are mysteriously migrating across some of the SA borders. "

I sometimes wonder about Gov't's and people.

I just can't see where the excitement is in hunting a canned lion !!!

Edited by 500Nitro (02/12/08 05:06 AM)

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: 500Nitro]
#120010 - 02/12/08 04:52 AM

It's been suggested on occasion that I need to add a sentence to my signature that says something like ' Warning, hair trigger sense of humour. - liable to go off at any moment!'

My sense of humour has got me into trouble all my life - and it still does......... ah well, I enjoy it anyway!

Like you, I don't understand why people do these things and I firmy believe they need to have a degree of honour and ethics kicked into them with a few size nine boots or knocked into them with a few heavy blows from a tonfa baton!

If that doesn't work, I guess the next best thing to do would be to tie the bastards to a tree for Leopard bait.

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Edited by shakari (02/12/08 04:54 AM)

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: shakari]
#120018 - 02/12/08 06:27 AM

An excellent idea !
Send me a PM if You offer such a leopard hunt !

Kalunga

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: Kalunga]
#120020 - 02/12/08 07:04 AM

If we could get find a way to do it, I'd give the hunt away for free!!!!!

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: shakari]
#120062 - 02/12/08 04:17 PM

The only "better example" I can think of is in Second Hand Lions, when Michael Caine and Robert Duvall suit up safari style to shoot the lion in they bought from the circus.
Hilarious scene! Fun movie to watch with the kids too.

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: Huvius]
#120083 - 02/12/08 11:48 PM

I believe as long as there is some pathetic barstard out there that is prepared to pay for this type of bullshit then it will continue.
UNFORTUNATELY !!!

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: larcher]
#120101 - 03/12/08 02:44 AM

I sent info of this movie clip to people who will send it to the relevant people and cause some trouble. Expcept that the lion was canned it was shot with a bow as well, and shooting any members of the big five in SA is not allowed by bow. So maybe we could see some action I will keep you posted.

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: SafariHunt]
#120104 - 03/12/08 03:24 AM

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I sent info of this movie clip to people who will send it to the relevant people and cause some trouble. Expcept that the lion was canned it was shot with a bow as well, and shooting any members of the big five in SA is not allowed by bow. So maybe we could see some action I will keep you posted.

Whilst it's immoral an unethical they might find it's not actually illegal depending on which province it happened.... actually, I don't see anything that proves it even happened in SA.......... but let's hope they do get prosecuted.

Also dependng on province, the bow shooting aspect (I won't use the word hunting) may be legal. Some provinces do allow it.

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: shakari]
#120111 - 03/12/08 04:52 AM

Ras safaris operate their "Big Five" hunts mostly in the North West province not sure if bow is legal there I thought bow's were considered illegal on all the big five in all the provinces.

If you look closely at the video when they move when the lion moved position I'm almost sure I see a building in the background plus the sound of the dogs. Where else than SA then ?

RAS safaris is also well know for their canned operations.

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: SafariHunt]
#120113 - 03/12/08 05:16 AM

I assume it's RSA but don't see anything to prove it and as they don't appear to be members of PHASA, my guess is nothing can be done anyway.

KZN for one allows Big 5 to be bowhunted. My memory is a bit vague on some points, but the basic story is that some years ago (probably close to 20) Tony Tompkinson (now of Tony Tompkinson Safaris) was working for the parks board and as they knew he was a bowhunter, they asked him to conduct an experiment that I'd guess will never be repeated.

They asked him to bowhunt 100 animals from the smallest to the biggest, make exact notes of impact area, tim it took to go down and PM the animals for a damage report. Then he had to repeat the excercise on another 100 animals with a rifle.

Before he started, he took time out for a lot of practice and preperation and by the time he was ready to start, his back and shoulder muscles made him look like the hunchback of Notre Dame. At the end of the 200 animals, Tony wrote a report which the parks board decided to adopt in it's entirety and since then, they've allowed Big 5 and other bowhunting. - If I remember correctly, there are certain draw pull minimums for elephant, hippo, rhino and I think buffalo............ 80 lbs rings a bell....

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Edited by shakari (03/12/08 05:32 PM)

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Re: Canned lion, aware of better example???? [Re: shakari]
#120116 - 03/12/08 05:39 AM

Just thought I'd add that if I remember correctly, the hunting director at the time was Gary Davies who later joined PHASA as executive director or some such title and later still emigrated to Oz where I think he works as a cricket coach.

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