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That's absoluty right! On buffalo use FMJ bullets or solids by small calibers( 9,3 , 375H&H ) and premium SP bullets up. But only FMJ or solids for elefant!!!

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But when you are unsteady use solids in all calibers!

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The question was about Buff, not Ele or others

Again respectfully we were not discussing Ele. I dident and don't advocate SP's for Ele. But then again I wouldent shoot one with a 375 either.
Most people shoot a BA rifle. My reasoning is this. They have 2 or three softs above a solid. If they have failed to stop a buff with those softs, given usually that at least the first shot is undisterbed and often off sticks, then by the time they work their way to the soild then they are fucked anyway and the fate of the hunt will rest with the PH.
If you carry a double then yes, soft/solid and use the appropriate barrel for the angle and atonomical area. Those on this forum that have shot large game with me know, that I will keep shooting until it goes down, even if, as 2 days ago, it was dead on its feet.


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The question was about Buff, not Ele or others

Again respectfully we were not discussing Ele. I dident and don't advocate SP's for Ele. But then again I wouldent shoot one with a 375 either.
Most people shoot a BA rifle. My reasoning is this. They have 2 or three softs above a solid. If they have failed to stop a buff with those softs, given usually that at least the first shot is undisterbed and often off sticks, then by the time they work their way to the soild then they are fucked anyway and the fate of the hunt will rest with the PH.
If you carry a double then yes, soft/solid and use the appropriate barrel for the angle and atonomical area. Those on this forum that have shot large game with me know, that I will keep shooting until it goes down, even if, as 2 days ago, it was dead on its feet.


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My point is that a lot of people are hunting Buffalo in Elephant country and being attacked is a possibility that I feel one should be prepared for.

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Totally agree with Ozhunter--Having hunted the Zambezi this year-agree---personally, I would NEVER hunt there without solids in my rifle, period. Was only there 3 weeks and had numerous incidences with elephants being really pissed off.

As to the original question on what I used on buff...personally, I use A-frames for the first shot..and followed it up with hand loaded Barnes solids...used that same combo on 3 buff with great results...punched on up the south side of a north bound buff..on exited the front shoulder and the other was lodged in his neck...amazing performance and penentration..

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The question was about Buff, not Ele or others

Again respectfully we were not discussing Ele. I dident and don't advocate SP's for Ele. But then again I wouldent shoot one with a 375 either.
Most people shoot a BA rifle. My reasoning is this. They have 2 or three softs above a solid. If they have failed to stop a buff with those softs, given usually that at least the first shot is undisterbed and often off sticks, then by the time they work their way to the soild then they are fucked anyway and the fate of the hunt will rest with the PH.
If you carry a double then yes, soft/solid and use the appropriate barrel for the angle and atonomical area. Those on this forum that have shot large game with me know, that I will keep shooting until it goes down, even if, as 2 days ago, it was dead on its feet.


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My point is that a lot of people are hunting Buffalo in Elephant country and being attacked is a possibility that I feel one should be prepared for.

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Totally agree with Ozhunter--Having hunted the Zambezi this year-agree---personally, I would NEVER hunt there without solids in my rifle, period. Was only there 3 weeks and had numerous incidences with elephants being really pissed off.

As to the original question on what I used on buff...personally, I use A-frames for the first shot..and followed it up with hand loaded Barnes solids...used that same combo on 3 buff with great results...punched on up the south side of a north bound buff..on exited the front shoulder and the other was lodged in his neck...amazing performance and penentration..

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And my point is that a 375 is not enough gun if there is a real posibility of being deliberatly attacked by pissed off elephant bent upon that course of action of its own volition having not been attacked itself. Softs or solids notwithstanding.
I totally agree that the solids would be a better bet in that situation than softs, but most tourist hunters could not shoot well enough in that situation to make the outcome anyway certain. A slap in the face from a 450 class rifle might turn it, even badly placed, but I wouldent bet my lilly white skin on a 375/9.3 doing the job.
I am quite happy to accept Ripp that you could get off the first round in the mag (your A frame) cycle the bolt and get the following solid into a charging Ele' but I would bet my house that you are in a 1% minority of hunters. The vast majority would be pissing in their pants and lucky to hit the big gray thing with the single round.
The shoot/no shoot decision in that situation is in the vast majority of cases going to be made by the PH who will be hanging a bead on it to see if it is a bluff charge.
IMHO if the first round in, is not that of the PH, then he wasent doing his job.
If one however says that it shold be all solids in a medium for buff in case of an unexpected Ele, then I would expect a lot of wounded buff by the average hunters and a lot of finishing up by the PH's. The majority will not put a solid where it counts and need the expansion for tissue damage.

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Can some folks that have been to Africa after Cape Buffalo in the last year ot two, tell me what they used. Just softs or soft/solid combination.

Have read where the use of solids is not as necessary as it once was with the quality of controlled expansion soft point hunting bullets available now.

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C_F, I normally hunt cape Buffalo with a S/S double rifle! That gives you an instant choice of soft or solid, for the first shot. I carry my rifle with a soft in the right barrel, and a solid in the left. The first shot if the buff is not excited,and the angle allows it, is always a soft, unless the angle is wrong. Then for the first shot I may re-load the right barrel with a solid for that first shot, if say, the bull is standing faceing away, and a rear shot is all I have. That solid will reach up into the boiler-room from just about any angle from a 470NE.

When hunting with a bolt rifle, I load the magazine with solids, and the chamber with a quality soft. That one is also easy to change out to a solid as well, by simply opening tha bolt and tradeing out for the solid.

In both types of rifle I'm set with a soft for the first shot, but if need be I can change! After the first shot, no matter which is used for the first shot, all the following shots are solids!

I don't hunt elephant, but I would not attempt to use a soft on an ele, for any reason, other than in self defence, and that I had no other choice! For ELEPHANT, use good soilds, PERIOD!

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I used a 450 grain Barnes TSX for the first shot followed by 450 grain North Fork flat point solids for the remaining three. Handloaded to 2250 fps in a .458 Winchester.

There is some opinion that with the Barnes TSX you don't need any solids for follow on shots on buffalo. I disagree.

One of the reasons why softs are recommended for the first shot is that a solid might pass through and hit an unseen buff on the other side. I think the TSX would pass through on a side shot unless it hit bone.

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