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9.3x57
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Why Newbies Muck it Up
      #115722 - 28/09/08 09:31 AM

Take a look at this pic and you'll know the answer. After the gun barks, quite few bear come out of the tree looking for a fight due to "newbies" misjudging the kill zone. The other post on the elephant brain shots prompted me to post this. I put this little one into the freezer today. For those of you who haven't chased hounds, IMHO it is the "funnest" {tho physically challenging}, hunting there is, particularly here in the mountains.


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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: 9.3x57]
      #115727 - 28/09/08 10:22 AM

Nice!


Been there, done that, and I'm envious of you this moment.
Wish I were there to enjoy the time.
That shot can look easy from the photograph, but it's just as important to monitor the constantly changing situation on the ground too.

Congratulations to you!

I got a call this morning from my bear guide, he's anxious to get me back up in to the mountains this winter. He was asking if I could join him on the way up there this Wednesday...



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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: tinker]
      #115733 - 28/09/08 12:10 PM

Great photo. I have never hunted bear with dogs. I have only jumped them unsuspecting in Alaska. The last one in a hole in the ground. Some one had buried a gut pile from a moose hunt. I only saw the hump on his back and thought I had a cub. When he jumped out and was at least six feet long, well that was a different story.
I can imagine a bear hitting the ground with a poor shot wound and looking to make flight and do some damage to whatever hurt him.
Thanks again for the leason and eye openner. Know the shot before you take it.

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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #115775 - 29/09/08 12:06 AM

Probably the easiest critter to "hit" is a treed bear but my hound hunting buddies tell me lots of hunters have trouble knowing where to hit them for a fast kill as they seem to be sort-of brainwashed by the typical "broadside deer" presentation that of course virtually does not exist on treed bear. Dark timber with sun glare in the treetops makes for difficulties seeing the killzone on a bear, too. A wounded bear that swings to the far side of the tree and "Firepoles" it down is a mess to deal with when it gets on the ground.

This one, like many small bear, bayed and fought the dogs and only treed when it heard, winded or saw a man approach. These small ones make for good eating though actually, we don't have many truly large bear on the standards of many other states. Ours are runners tho.

Here's a few more pic's:

The Country:


The houndsmen's well-worn .444's. Probably the most common hound hunting rifle here in these parts.



I shot the critter with this 9.3:


Mr Bear:


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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: 9.3x57]
      #115777 - 29/09/08 12:40 AM

Wow, plush rolling hills!
Nice country and good eats indeed -- what's your favorite recipe with the bear meat?




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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: tinker]
      #115780 - 29/09/08 01:00 AM

Recipes...

Hard to go wrong!!

We love bear curry {my middle daughter has alread placed the order.} but roasts, chops, steaks, all are very good as you know.

Sunday Afternoon pot roast with onions and along side butternut squash and broccoli looks like it is headed our way today.

Main thing here is in the field prep, and I suspect you face even more of the same challenge; getting it cold, fast. The heat works terrors on bear meat that isn't cooled quickly. Yesterday morn my waterbottles were frozen, but the midday temps were high.

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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: 9.3x57]
      #115783 - 29/09/08 01:09 AM

Great info. Nice photos and beautiful country. We took black bear in the spring in Alaska. They only eat fern tops and vegetation for the first couple months out of hybernation. More like grazing. The meat was pretty good, but we used a pressure cooker to tenderize. I would like to see the curry recipe too.
Thanks,

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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #115784 - 29/09/08 01:27 AM

Bear Curry:

Definitely not pukka but here it is:

1 Roast, fat trimmed off {it breaks down, sort of like shredded beef}
Lotsa Curry powder
Additional coriander, powder roasted in a pan on the stove before adding.
2 cans mixed fruit {doesn't matter much what type: pineapple, etc} with juice
1 pint red wine
Double handful raisins
couple "glugs" of molasses or honey
3 or 4 cloves of garlic
salt & pepper

Crockpotted, served over boiled rice. Sort-of sweet/sour and very tasty!

I make it and have never really sat down and figured out the exact measurements.

I have a sort-of deal with my buddy and shoot smallish bear for firing up the dogs. Most fellows who go with them want to shoot a big one. Maybe that is why I've never had a tough one, the meat on all of the ones I've shot has been butter soft?

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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: 9.3x57]
      #115790 - 29/09/08 01:58 AM

9.3-


In the northern part of this state, especially late in the season, the nights are freakin cold.
The country is huge and wide open, looking much like this all over the place...



Although sometimes the chases end early, it's typically dark by the time the animal is caped and quartered, and out of the hole.
That definitely helps in getting things cool right away.


On recipes, my favorite way to treat the bear meat is as such:

Rub cuts of meat down with Garam Masala, saffron, crushed pepper, Thyme, and a tiny bit of ginger.
Let stand for three or so hours.

In a searing hot salted iron skillet, roll meat into hot iron to sear and brown, remove once brown (a few seconds across the whole surface)
Let stand for an hour.

During that hour, and while that iron is still hot, pour a quart of Balsamic vinegar or Port and reduce.

In simmering reduction, return the meat to the iron, simmering each side until the exposed meat juuuust shows blood - turn and simmer for the same amount of time (roughly 7 minutes per side depending on thickness of cut)

Serve cut, bloody, and drizzled with reduction alongside roasted potatoes and steamed hearty greens. Drink good wine in the company of good friends and family.



This is what will be on the table here tonight!



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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: 9.3x57]
      #115791 - 29/09/08 02:01 AM


9.3X57

Looks like lots of fun..congratulations...

As a side note..My son & I were out bowhunting elk this past couple of days...were were leap frogging --with me doing the calling --he smacked one at 52 yards on Friday morning....using a "New" type of expandable...BIG MISTAKE...we found the bull standing along a cattle fence about 45 minutes later..arrow still there..so I thought we should back off and follow the blood trail later...as he was standing in very open terrain ..we did that and come back 4 hours later...the bull had followed the fence and went down into the timber...we followed the trail..when seeing how he was moving we split up with my son going upwind and myself going down wind in an attempt --if he was still alive to drive him towards my son..he had expired...but the penetration was very poor..my son was shooting a 70# compound..penetration was less than 10"...When I got back to the cabin I switched all my expandables out for fixed..now using G5's -Monteck.....they shoot really well and know they do penetrate...

Think expandables are maybe not so good for the big stuff..Just my opinion..but this one didn't hit any serious bone going in..and yet--very poor penetration...

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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: Ripp]
      #115793 - 29/09/08 02:17 AM

Thanks the recipes both 9.3 and Tinker. I don't know when "bear" will be on the menu again, but It should work with other game meat as well. Maybe the next porker with the SXS combo.

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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #115802 - 29/09/08 03:54 AM

88Sporter-

You're welcome.
I use that same or very similar treatment on deer and elk.

On 9.3's comments on the texture of the bear meat, I think it has almost all to do with field prep and care for the meat after the shot, and also something to do with what the animal's been eating - and my only experience is with an instant kill on big game. I've heard the stories of tough and greasy bear meat, the bears we have in the northern timber of this state feast on berries and acorn. The meat is sweet.

Another thing I'd try for in pursuit of bear-for-food is to get it later in the season, after some good cold weather -- preferably after some snow. The cape from the bear I took last winter is amazing -- very downy with lots of the soft under fur, the bear was fat and ready to start looking for a place to take it's winter nap.



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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: tinker]
      #115804 - 29/09/08 04:43 AM

I've shot bear for meat in spring and fall and never had a bad one. Weather is typically warm to hot in the day either season. I think the key is getting it in the freezer fast. I suspect that some have problems with it due to being used to handling meat in the cold weather of regular deer seasons, etc and I know some fellows don't get around to cutting and wrapping for a day or two and that in itself may be too long. Everyone, hunters or not, that we've served it to likes it.

Here in Idaho it is legal and I sell the hides and gall bladders. I've only kept one hide. I've kept a few skulls, too. I kept yesterday's. I boiled it and bleached it and it is now sitting out in the sun to whiten.

Edited by 9ThreeXFifty7 (29/09/08 06:30 AM)

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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: 9.3x57]
      #117111 - 17/10/08 02:41 PM

9 can you take me bear hunting i will take you for gators.......

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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: bwananelson]
      #117125 - 17/10/08 11:09 PM

Bwana, I would LOVE to, but can't...

I do not own the dogs. The fellow I go with does not hold a guide license and he won't take anybody but friends.

As a matter of fact, I am not certain if he is going to stay in the game. He says no. The safe area for hound hunting is alomst gone now. Meaning, hounds cannot be run in areas where there is a large number of wolves and the expansion of wolf numbers is driving out hound hunting in our area as it has in other areas. Wolves are destroying the sport, and I suspect it will be gone in just a few years. Hounds are destroyed constantly. Fellow I know just lost 3 more right before the season closed a couple weeks ago. All killed or had to be put down. It is a mess. I can't blame the hound hunters. Hounds cost thousands of dollars and years of training, and wolves kill them constantly, with little or no compensation for the losses coming from the State or Feds. It is yet one more aspect of wolf introduction that is costing the people of the State.

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Re: Why Newbies Muck it Up [Re: 9.3x57]
      #117130 - 18/10/08 02:32 AM

Dogs would be a blast! As I get older and movement becomes more painful, spot and stalk hunting seems to fit my body a mite better. Using a traditional bow instead of a rifle provides for a bigger adrenalin-rush hunt. Being on the ground with the teeth and claws can help nature take it's course.


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