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oregon45
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Need help with my new drilling; 16x16x9.3x72R
      #115710 - 28/09/08 06:05 AM

Well, I went into the gun store to pick up a shotgun; I came out with that, and a drilling!

Chamber cast and bore measurements confirm that it's a 16x16x9.3x72. The 16ga chambers look to be 2.75" but are most likely 2 9/16", the bore measures .364" which is correct for the 9.3x72. The rifling is very sharp and the crown is clean which leads me to believe this gun spent more time in the closet than in the field.

As can be seen in the pictures, turning the top lever to the left moves a bar under the right-side hammer and also raises the front sight: very cool The front trigger has a set mechanism and the rear, shotgun only, trigger is very light and crisp. The stock has a cartridge trap installed that still has much of its case color; the doll's head is still tight as well and lock-up is solid.

The barrels say "Krupp Stahl" and the water table shows nitro proofing for both shotgun chambers and the rifle barrel. The gun is unmarked as to maker but looks just like every other Suhl hammer drilling I've come across, just a heck of alot cleaner.

This is going to be a fun gun! Dies, brass and bullets are on their way from Buffalo Arms, there's a Feb. 1991 Handloader article on the 9.3x72R that I have sitting on the desk and I'm going to start loading 16ga 1oz. loads to start out, might even try some .670 round balls as well... probably too late for opening day of deer season, but second season blacktail might be on the menu if I don't tag out in the first season.

Any suggestions, tips, hints or tricks for dealing with a drilling? Anybody have one like mine?

Here's the pictures:





















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88MauSporter
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Re: Need help with my new drilling; 16x16x9.3x72R [Re: oregon45]
      #115782 - 29/09/08 01:03 AM

Oregon45,
Very nice old drilling. I have a great respect for these guns, I have a very similar gun, but of 1939 proof marks. The action of the gun is much more the style of late 1800 to early 1900. I am thinking this gun may have had a rebarrel and reproof at around that time. My action and configuration is very similar to yours.
I have researched these 9.3x72 / 16ga drillings and spoken to collectors and other owners. The 9.3 barrel diameters can vary from .358 to .375. If yours is the normalized case, the bore can still be of various diameter. Chambers can vary alot, but the typical ammo available from S&B will chamber and still function pretty well. You can notice the bullet configuration has a fairly short bearing surface to the bore. The bullet diameter is .366. It will work well enough unless the bore is oversize. Headspace is also variable in the older guns. It may not be very apparent unless you have ignition problems. You can pean one edge of the rim to make it thicker and put the head against the breech. This prevents the case from moving forward when the pin strikes. Mine is pretty much in the Normalized dimensions. The barrel is .366 and the chamber tight. I may have a little bit of headspace issue witht the S&B cases, but will experiment with this and other cases. I use a lot of Buffalo Arms cases in other calibers. They do a good job, but haven't tried in this caliber. I have both jacketed and cast bullets for the rifle. The jacketed 193 grs from Buffalo and same weight cast from Huntington. Factory ammo I have found from S&B and RWS. The RWS is very nice, but much more powerful than the S&B.
If you are working on using the 16ga barrels with Ball, check the diameter of the barrel at the chokes. Most are undersized from US standards. Of the three 16ga barrels on drilling or combo guns, the choke diameter is from .61 to .64. Your ball should just slip through the choke dimension. Look through the posts from DARYL on this forum and find out how he uses inverted gas seals to center the undersize ball in the barrel. There is good results with this method.
My drilling is much like yours and in the 9.3X72R / 16ga 2 1/2". The combos are in 9.5x56R x 16ga and the other in 12.7X44RX16ga. I just had wonderful cases made for the 9.5x56R from Rocky Mountain Cartridge co.
Here are a few photos of mine.




















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Rolf
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Re: Need help with my new drilling; 16x16x9.3x72R [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #115808 - 29/09/08 05:14 AM

Gentlemen,

congratulations for your fine rifles (I dislike you really more than a bit...)!

I wanted to offer advice for reloading the 9,3x72R and maybe info or delivery of original bullets of RWS or Sellier and Bellot for this special cartridge. The original 9,3x72R uses not the common 9,3mm bullets, but flat soft points with approx. 200grs for about 600m/s.
I would strongly recommend NOT to use light 9,3mm/.366" bullets like 232grs Norma PPC or the RWS 225grs Doppelkern/Twin Core!

Good shooting and Waidmannsheil!
Rolf


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88MauSporter
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Re: Need help with my new drilling; 16x16x9.3x72R [Re: Rolf]
      #115814 - 29/09/08 05:50 AM

Rolf:
thanks for the advise. I use a "custom" 9.3 (.366) jacketed bullet of 193 gr we can get from a specialty shop named Buffalo Arms. They specialize in hard to find brass and bullets for reloading vintage guns.
As you note, there are S&B and RWS ammunitions ( mostly S&B). I find the RWS load much hotter loaded than the S&B. The bullet is much more impressive. I have only one Balck box of RWS that I have been able to find.
As you say, the 9.3 bullets have short friction surfaces to enable them to fitt the various bores.
Do you hunt or shoot with a similar drilling or combo gun??
I very much like the combo and drilling for hunting. Winged game, deer, boar, small game all with the same gun. How more practical can it be.
Thanks.

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CapeGunner
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Re: Need help with my new drilling; 16x16x9.3x72R [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #115994 - 01/10/08 03:02 AM

Very nice gun. I have a cape gun and a stalking rifle in this caliber. I've gotten alot of help from people on this site with information. I've built up a list of loads for this caliber. If you would like a copy let me know and I'll PM it to you. I've had very good luck with Hawk bullets. They are copper jacketed but the copper is annealed so it is in the soft state. I've also shot solid lead bullets with both guns.Buying the ammo over the counter is pricey. Both the jacketed and lead bullets are 200 grain.
Frank


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