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DDouble
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Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos)
      #115109 - 22/09/08 12:43 PM

I am back from the bush .

First blood on my Chapuis 470.

Fantastic adventure, unbelieveble heat close to 120, ticks everywhere, difficult chase with dozens of kms on the jungle and savanahs.

Two days of tracking to catch a couple bachelors, as this is the worst time of the year to chase them. Woods were dry and in some places had 4 inches of dry leaves.

Small bull required 4 shots (1 shoulder too high, 1 from the back running, 1 from the front after he got sick and was going to charge and a final shot after it had dropped then stood up and charged again ). It really struck me that killing buffalo with the recurve bow (which I have done a few times) can be easier, demonstrating placement is everything.

In the end I have much less confidence for the .470 nitro and much more respect for the buffalo

This experience suggests shooting a 470 in the shoulder of a charging (30 yrds) large water buffalo bull may NOT work. This time, with this small guy it did work (he turned), but even after the 470 solid hit the point of the shoulder he run away and it took a while for him to drop... and rise again...!!! Ok, the shots were too high and above the heart and due to a couple inches left or right the shoulder was not broken. But I expected more from 3 shots through the lungs...

After a couple days carrying the heavy .470 I had longed for my 9.3mm double, and was thinking a .400 would be a perfect compromise...NOT ANYMORE...

Hope you enjoy the pictures...

My tracker with the bull...



His happy family in the middle of nowhere...



Flowers from the amazon



Fish for dinner...


Burning a couple thousand ticks from legs and pants, and doing it fast!!!


Turtle


This peackock bass was cut in half by a BIGGER fish (trairao) as my friend was reeling in...


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NE450No2
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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: DDouble]
      #115132 - 22/09/08 04:15 PM

DDouble

I once shot a cape buffalo in Zimbabwe, at 12 yards, through the shoulder, through the heart, with a 480 Woodleigh Soft, from my 450 No2, the bullet lodging in the skin on the far side.

The buffalo ran around 125 to 150 yards in heavy brush, leaving a big blood trail.

As we approached, the buff tried to get up.

Two solids knocked the buff down and finished the deal.

Them bovines can be tough.

PS. The only cape buff I ever killed with one shot, and my biggest in horn and body, were taken with my 9,3x74R double and a 286gr Woodleigh Soft.

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Ben
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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: NE450No2]
      #115153 - 22/09/08 09:18 PM

Well done on your adventure! That's a neat little turtle. What kind of recurve is your friend using? Robertson? Morrison?

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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: Ben]
      #115154 - 22/09/08 09:20 PM

My apologies. I got you mixed-up with your tracker. What sort of bow do YOU shoot?

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DDouble
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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: Ben]
      #115171 - 23/09/08 12:30 AM

NE450, one interesting thing is that because the shots were high and I had a solid on the second barrel, there was almost no blood trail. This may be related to Water Buffalo who seem to bleed less as compared to cape buffalo (although I have very little experience with cape buffalo limited to a couple hunts in Zimbabwe).

Ben,
My heavy buffalo bow is a Robertson recurve, shooting 72# and heavy arrows (around 900 grains) and cut on contact broadheads such as grizzly and magnus. Almost all my shots were either pass trhoughs or at least punctured the far side.

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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: DDouble]
      #115175 - 23/09/08 01:30 AM

Thanks for sharing your story.
Incredible place to hunt!!!!
Where is it?
Martin

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Ben
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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: beleg2]
      #115200 - 23/09/08 06:55 AM

Did you get some buffalo with your bow? Do you have any pictures? That is a lovely bow, for sure.

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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: Ben]
      #115204 - 23/09/08 07:37 AM

Thanks it is indeed the best looking of my many bows (the number must be hidden given marital consequenses of such disclosure). I did not get one with the bow this time, particularly because they were in the open, and it is absolutely impossible to approach them, as they will charge you immediatly. The only way to kill them is after they go into de jungle, as you have places to hide and climb. But it was so hot and dry that there is no way to hunt them in the jungle before the rains as they will move long before you are even close. Outr water buffalo are much more reactive than what I saw in Africa.

Switching from bow to doubles has been interesting.

But with that particular bow I got only a small bull and a young cow a year ago. Have the picture of her with the bow...



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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: DDouble]
      #115243 - 23/09/08 05:25 PM

Thanks for sharing, DDouble. You've got excellent taste in bows! Maybe oneday when my wife isn't watching, I'll order a bow from Dick. Congratulations on that fine cow.

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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: Ben]
      #115344 - 24/09/08 08:34 AM

Ben,
I do have a more expensive Gyr Falcon with pierce points from Dick. However, I still think this falcon is nicer.

By the way last year I spent 10 days hunting elk in Montana with him. You can´t find a nicer guy.

Here goes a few pictures of some of my bows and a better look at the falcon.







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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: DDouble]
      #115353 - 24/09/08 11:51 AM

D:

THANKS for posting.

This type of post is what keeps me around.

Very interesting experience!

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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: 9.3x57]
      #115361 - 24/09/08 01:40 PM

Great stuff, DD. Amazing how different those water-buff look from ours here in northern Australia.

Marvellous bows BTW. Just curious, do you leave your recurves and long-bow strung, or were they just strung for the photo? In our climate, they would not last long stored like that!

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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: Marrakai]
      #115405 - 24/09/08 11:07 PM


Thanks guys.

Agree with 9three, talking about some day to day experiences is probably one of the best things on a forum.

I do leave my bows mostly unstrung, but being in the south of Brasil the weather is mild and leaving them strung does not change poundage.

Regarding Marrakai comments, Brasil has several different buffalo populations. Up on the very north island of Marajo in the Amazon river, in Roraima and also in the northwest state of Rondonia on the border with Bolivia you have the "carabao" buffalo, just the same as the Australian water buffalo.

The wild populations in the south of the Amazon, pantanal and central Brasil are mostly of the "murrah" or "jafarabadi" breeds, ther respectively have short curling horns and horns that grow longer but downward. I will try to find some pictures.

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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: DDouble]
      #115414 - 25/09/08 01:25 AM

D:

A "meat" question:

Do you take the horns and leave the meat for the locals? Or do you somehow get some home? I am thinking here of the heat and difficulty of preventing meat from spoiling in the high temps.

I'm also guessing the locals are pretty happy with 600 lbs of protein, too!

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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: 9.3x57]
      #115507 - 25/09/08 09:15 PM


I certainly leave the horns (amazingly I have never taken a buff horn, not even the big ones), but we can only bring home little meat as we are either on a small plane or have to drive somewhere and then take a commercial place.

The locals certainly love the meat and absolutely none is spoiled... well when it is feasible... what I mean here is that sometimes in order to kill a buffalo we have to track them into the jungle. I think I have shot only 3 or 4 buff in the open, many more inside the dense jungle.

Then, what we do is take a tractor as far as we can, then we open the buff from the back, take the loins, ternderloins, meat in the hump and hip and bring it on plastic barrels, backpack or horses to the tractor.

The amount of meat we bring is inversely proportional to the distance of the tractor... maybe we are 500 meters and we will take it all, sometimes we are 2 kms into the jungles and bogs, and much less is taken. However, we take almost everything when we can get a horsmen to help.

There are about 70 people who work on a nearby ranch of 50.000 hectares, and there is always a scuffle to split the meat.

There are no power lines, but about 10 hours per day there is motor eletricity there, so the meat is preserved that way or dried with salt.

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Re: Chapuis 470 field test on water buffalo (w photos) [Re: DDouble]
      #115511 - 25/09/08 10:03 PM

Thanks for the extra photos! That is a magnificent collection of bows. I agree with Marrakai in not leaving them strung here, but many Americans do due to their cooler conditions (and only with recurves - not longbows, due to the thicker limbs). Where do those Murrah and Jafarabadi buffalo originate from? I saw one on TV yesterday, on a cooking show about two English fellows travelling on motorbikes in Rumania - the buffalo was galloping down a street. There were some droopy-horned buffalo brought to the Territory - I saw photos of them being worked by the Chinese at their temple / museum in Darwin when I took my class to visit. But, I haven't seen any hunting photos of these. Cheers, Ben

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