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doubleriflenut
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: Ndumo]
#132716 - 18/04/09 11:38 PM

My favorite calibers!!!!! I have a 7X64 that is so accurate it is scary! The 9.3X64 is a great caliber that many folks have not used. The 8X68 is a perfect answer to the 338 minus the belt.

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: doubleriflenut]
#134940 - 09/05/09 09:47 PM

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My favorite calibers!!!!! I have a 7X64 that is so accurate it is scary! The 9.3X64 is a great caliber that many folks have not used. The 8X68 is a perfect answer to the 338 minus the belt.

I think the caliber 7x64 is the best for rececho and their rifles monotiro version 7x65R and of course the 9.3 x64, a large German cartridge that matches or even surpasses the legendary H & H Magnum 375. You have an excellent battery of rifles, valid for hunting any animal on the planet, making the shooter a clear role.

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: ovny]
#134941 - 09/05/09 09:51 PM

I have a 338 WM, but I have to admit that for the long-range 8x68S exceeds 338WM, for a better career. But I think that distance shot, medium and short size 338 WM is stronger, because of their larger diameter bullet.

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grandveneur
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: bwananelson]
#134994 - 10/05/09 06:32 PM

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what would be your pick in a bolt action rifle saw the same maker with theses two choices what is the better thumper

I have the same opinion that JVW! You have to choice beetwen a not too expensiv allround rifle caliber 458 Lott, ammunition available, and at the another side a good allround cartridge, but in a expensiv rifle! You need a magnum action and you have problem's to get ammunition! The cartridge 450 Rigby is not very rare in Europe, but you find it only in very nice, but expensiv, Mauser magnum custom rifle's.

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: grandveneur]
#134995 - 10/05/09 07:18 PM

I think this page might be useful.

http://450rigbymagnum.blogspot.com/

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: ovny]
#134996 - 10/05/09 07:22 PM

Comparing prices between 450 and 458 Rigby Lott on page Midwayusa.

Oscar.

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http://www.midwayusa.com/BROWSE/BrowsePr...ng=653***690***

http://www.midwayusa.com/BROWSE/BrowsePr...ng=653***690***

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grandveneur
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: ovny]
#134998 - 10/05/09 08:15 PM

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I think this page might be useful.

http://450rigbymagnum.blogspot.com/

Oscar.

I like this cartridge! I have a old 460WM on a Brewex magnum action made in France and use it oftens for hunting. Today, if i had the choice, i will take a 450 Rigby for the same purpose!

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: grandveneur]
#135001 - 10/05/09 08:30 PM

Hey, if I find a good cartridge, with very good performance, I continue with my goal of buying a 458 Lott, I think that Spain will be easier to find the cartridge Lott, than the 450 Rigby. There are many dangerous game cartridges that I love jejeje.

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grandveneur
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: ovny]
#135005 - 10/05/09 08:45 PM

458 Lott is a good choice for a allround Heavy and big game rifle! With a nice and expensiv rifle, a lot of people have problem's in the country! You drive in a open car, on bad trail's, you have to run in the bush, sometimes to lying down in the dust, not very ideal for a beautiful rifle! That's the reason why we need two sort of rifle's, one's for the field and country, and another one's for caress at home!

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: grandveneur]
#135008 - 10/05/09 09:00 PM

You're quite right, I wanted to buy a 458 in Ceska Lott and I think the ideal for a rifle stock of this kind would be a fiber, but I do not know whether they are manufactured for brand Cz. I have a 550 Ceska caliber Magnum 375 H & H and its stock is made of wood, which is a shame for the reason you said.

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grandveneur
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: ovny]
#135026 - 11/05/09 12:35 AM

I dont have experience with fiber stock's in hot climate! Personnaly i use for the allround lamelled wood stock's! No problem in Africa or in Artic aera!

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: grandveneur]
#135045 - 11/05/09 02:07 AM

I had not thought of lamelled wood stock´s. It is also very good option. Thanks for open my eyes.

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thorshammer
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: ovny]
#135056 - 11/05/09 04:19 AM

For what its worth 450 rigby is a 460 weatherby minus the belt they both do the same thing will run the same speeds its just person choice

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: thorshammer]
#135057 - 11/05/09 04:27 AM

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For what its worth 450 rigby is a 460 weatherby minus the belt they both do the same thing will run the same speeds its just person choice

I have read negative things about Weatherby cartridges, and that his excessive speed projectiles were diverted to their clash against the skull of the elephant. But as I say, only what I read, I do not know anyone who owns one of these calibers. The 450 Rigby barely know him. Glad to see you here thorshammer now that everything has been resolved.

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thorshammer
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: ovny]
#135060 - 11/05/09 05:34 AM

Which might of been true many years ago but with superior bullet construction the weatherby are as good as any its just personal choice and qalot of arm chair hunters putting it down ive carried a 416 weatherby in Africa afew years back and I loved it gives you more punch at 150-200 yards then a factory loaded Rigby but if hand loaded they are neck and neck just have to have the right bullet combo just as tsx, gs hv and nf cuppoint solids and your good to go

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: thorshammer]
#135066 - 11/05/09 07:34 AM

I imagine that the experience will be learned and corrected these mistakes Weatherby. I stay with the 458 Lott (when I can buy it) because this size is less that the recoil of 460 Weatherby Magnum and also has acceptable performance. Indeed, thorshammer in a Spanish magazine speak well of the 416 Wea Mag, but also say that the problem is the recoil, quite strong.

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thorshammer
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: ovny]
#135070 - 11/05/09 08:23 AM

Have you looked into a 458 winnie now adays there is nothing wrong with the old work horse I prefer that over the lott and rigby the rigby kicks like a mule but the winnie is 1 sweet shooter

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: thorshammer]
#135090 - 11/05/09 01:39 PM

Hey, that was my first intention, a 458 WM, but I found the 458 Lott and his higher power. I really want to buy a large caliber rifle by a pure whim, because I will not be able to go in my life (except to change my fortune) to an African safari.
My wife looks at me like a mad and rightly jejeje, and if I could buy a 500 Jeffery the better, but the cartridge Jeffery is banned in Spain and rifles that shoot this cartridge is more expensive.

Thank you,

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thorshammer
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: ovny]
#135091 - 11/05/09 01:51 PM

The 458 winnie is a sweetie if you reload I have a client getting close to 2200 out of a 24 inch bbl with 500s plus if you reload its so much cheaper to feed as far as price of brass on another note have you thought about haveing your 375 h&h rebarreled to 416 remington magnum very easy and cheap to do you'll have lott preformance with far cheaper brass and theres no flies on it

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JabaliHunter
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: ovny]
#135104 - 11/05/09 07:45 PM

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if I could buy a 500 Jeffery the better, but the cartridge Jeffery is banned in Spain and rifles that shoot this cartridge is more expensive.

Oscar - are all .50 cartridges banned in Spain? Are there other calibre restrictions also?

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ovny
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Re: 450 rigby vs 458 lott [Re: JabaliHunter]
#135120 - 11/05/09 11:18 PM

Hey, the truth is to be considered war cartridges with a diameter exceeding 20 mm and that the MoD considered as such. I suppose there is a list of the cartridges considered war, but I do not have the listing.

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