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Shackleton
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Rich Hollis & Sons
      #112047 - 18/08/08 05:26 AM

A friend of mine was given an old muzzleloading 12 gauge side by side. Lots of simple engraving, some game scenes. Both sideplates are marked Rich Hollis&Sons, and the top of the rib was marked London, and another company-XXXXXX&Goodrich(worn enough to not be able to read the first name). I'd call the gun about 70% condition, anyone know anything about the company? The gun would probably be fine to fire with mild BP loads based on condition, but he only wants it as something to have for history's sake, so no worries on shootability. Just trying to get him a bit of information.

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bigger_is_best
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Re: Rich Hollis & Sons [Re: Shackleton]
      #112362 - 24/08/08 09:58 AM

I've owned 2 guns by Hollis, one a two & half inch cartridge gun, the oher a percussion gun. Both with twist barrells. Niether one was expensive, but what I would call "nice" guns, easy on the eye, ballanced and good pointers. Mine were marked I Hollis & Sons, and I think this is the most common mark. I have also seen a few J hollis & son guns. The cartridge gun had been fed many modern two & Three quater shells, including heavy slug and buck loads. Not by me, but previous owners used it for pig hunting, and 12 gauge is 12 gauge, right? It did have a slight swell behind the right choke as a result, and was slghtly off face. I shimed the hinge pin with hard brass at .004", found some European 2.5" shells and used it happily for many rounds. I used reasonable charges of blackpowder and #2 shot in the percussion, and enjoyed it on ducks and rabbits. It performed as well as I did, and appart from reloading speed I did not feel disadvantaged compared to friends with newer guns.
As regards the history, I found this on another site, It looks like this person could be worth looking up. I am not well versed in the history of these myself, but I would make room in the safe for them anytime. Just sad we can no longer hang them on the wall to be enjoyed more.
The second name ( goodrich) could mean it was a trade gun, made to be sold by another company.

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?t=2819&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=15

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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: Hollis Shotguns

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1800-Hollis Firearms was formed by Richard and Leonard Alexander Hollis in about 1800 who were Rhodesian Imigrants.
1814- John and Issac Hollis renamed the company Hollis Brothers & Co Issac was 24 and John 22 building a large assortment of weapons and exporting 1215 "Trade Guns" to the USA and for the continent.
1816- Company name changed to I Holllis & Sons (1816-1860)
Although the best known of the Hollis family he is the one with the vision to expand the company.
1845- Issac Brentnall Sneath becomes a silent partner in the company.
1861- The company name is changed again to Hollis & Sons when Richard and Charles Take Over the company.
(A) I Hollis and Sons Sales office opened in London.
The company is now making 12,000 guns per year.
1880- The company changed to Hollis/ Greener when the Hollis Brothers take over Greener Shotguns selling under both names.
1890- US tarriffs introduced on all imported firearms
1893- Clabrough Firearms sells out to Douglas Johnson to become Claybrough & Johnsonmaking 12,000 guns per year.
1914- Hollis / Greener take over Claybough/Johnson
1915- Hollis/Greener take over Bently /Playfair and open up market on the US West Coast.Offices in San Fransisco,New York,Philadelphia,Chicago.
1945- The company Hollis/Bentley/Playfair is broken up and disolved.
I have four of their double hammer sxs Shotguns.
I will post pictures if you like.


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Shackleton
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Re: Rich Hollis & Sons [Re: bigger_is_best]
      #112478 - 25/08/08 12:18 PM

Thanks for the information-I'll pass it on. Like I said, he's not interested in selling the gun(and I advised him against it as well), but it is nice to know what's in the collection.

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