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atkinson6
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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: 475Guy]
      #11458 - 13/03/04 07:52 AM

PA,
No arguement from me there, if you can handle the recoil from any field position without having to concentrate on not flinching, then the 700 N.E. is a top choice...

But, as I recall you killed your buff with a .416 (correct me if I'm wrong) and it sure did work, just like they have for years.....

I know that I have shot many Buff within spitten distance with a 404, 416 and a 450-400 and they always satisfied me with the results, so did the 458 Lott and 505 but I couldn't see enough difference to justify them in my mind..and I did not like the recoil of either...I supose that makes it an individual perspective on the subject, but hey we knew that before this thread started!

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: atkinson6]
      #11624 - 16/03/04 08:04 AM

I'm also toying with the idea of getting into a big bore rifle, at least for now just for the joy of having such a fine piece of equipment.

If I've followed all of this correctly - A full house .458 Lott will knock my socks off and would be too much gun to start off with as a big bore. However, I could load it down to more managable levels to start. In time I can work the charges up until I'm at full power. Meanwhile, I've only purchased one gun (I'd rather have ten, but there are certain economic realities I must face), and have a cartridge with a plenty of options for reloading. Did I get it about right? If so, I may be a bit closer to picking a cartridge . . .

BTC

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: BCrosier]
      #11653 - 16/03/04 01:53 PM

Tell you what, C, I think you should start with the 375 H&H as your first bigger than 30 bore. It's really easy on the shoulder and after a while, I suggest that you then get into a bigger gun. What I think doesn't kick, seems to contradict others who think it will. Start with small steps before you go the full mile. It's just my .02 worth and it don't cost you nothing.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: 475Guy]
      #11730 - 17/03/04 02:59 PM

Ray's post is as close to the gospel of hunting as I've ever seen. IMHO the real trick is to use the biggest caliber you can shoot really accurately and quickly. The test is simple you can use any caliber which you can fire three shots rapid fire and stay on a pie plate at 100 yrds( from a standing/field position). I can do that with a 500 a2. I can't do it with a 585 Nyati or my beloved .600 OK. Never shoot a gun your afraid of. I saw a guy in Tanzania shoot a buff 10 times with a .600 NE. I've only had one one shot kill on Buff and that was with a .416 Rigby ( as Ray said it ran off and died). In fact most of my Buff experience has been with a .416 Rigby and a .470NE. In my view the .416 Rigby worked as well or better. Most people can't even hit a pie plate at 100 yrds offhand with a Lott reliably.-Rob

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: Robgunbuilder]
      #110637 - 29/07/08 06:26 AM

Hello I really have removed the desire to buy a 458 Lott, I think a large caliber, but by what I read here backspace almost unbearable. I wanted a rifle from which to enjoy, rather than to suffer and feel that this caliber is a hell to shoot him. Now if I'm confused.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: ovny]
      #110661 - 29/07/08 12:51 PM

Quote:

Hello I really have removed the desire to buy a 458 Lott, I think a large caliber, but by what I read here backspace almost unbearable. I wanted a rifle from which to enjoy, rather than to suffer and feel that this caliber is a hell to shoot him. Now if I'm confused.

Regards,

Oscar.



I have broken my right collarbone twice and torn my rotator cuff a few times, and still enjoy shooting my .458 lott. I have done some upper body strength training that has helped greatly in handling recoil. I shoot a .375 ruger with .300 grain bullets and it has a hefty recoil too. I think all the big bores are going to have a healthy dose of recoil. Some worse than others of course. I shoot .45-70 and .450 marlin for deer and hogs and they kick too. I practice with .22 caliber and some .30 calibers alot. Practice and technique make a huge difference. None of this is original, I learned it from people on these forums. I thought the lott was too much for me too. Practice and letting the rifle recoil instead of fighting the recoil, along with some conditioning of the upper body muscles have made hunting in Africa with a true big bore an attainable goal. I leave in a month to hunt buffalo in the Zambezi Valley. I will be shooting the .458 lott. Remember, only shoot your big bore a few times at any given session. Take the smaller caliber stuff and practice alot, offhand, from shooting sticks, etc. For me about 6-10 shots is enough with 500 grain bullets and hunting loads. Much more and the dreaded flinch makes an appearance. Maybe you can find someone with a .458 you can shoot before you decide. There's no getting around shooting big guns for large or dangerous game. Good luck!

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: bigmaxx]
      #110671 - 29/07/08 03:00 PM


Hello:

Actually go to the gym floor, practicing with weights, not for firing a bigbore, but by taste and keep the belly at bay. I think my shoulders are pretty well to withstand the thrust of 458 Lott, although I have not yet tested my 375 H & H Magnum, then I will tell you what I found his setback. I hope it is a strong reversal (of the 458 Lott), but that is not worse than a punch from Mike Tyson jejejeje. Thank you for your reply.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: ovny]
      #110672 - 29/07/08 03:03 PM

Hello:

Friend, that is a point in favor of Lott 458, which can shoot with a 458 Winchester Magnum, although I doubt if this will not be detrimental to the rifle in the long run. There are people that I had recommended buying the 404 Jeffery, but I think we're very far in benefits cartridge Jack Lott.


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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: ovny]
      #110850 - 01/08/08 09:25 AM

So what do you guys feel is the "right" weight for a 458 Lott without scope, mounts or sling?

Chuck

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110889 - 02/08/08 12:17 AM

Hi Chuck.

I have not understood your question.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110893 - 02/08/08 02:45 AM

Quote:

So what do you guys feel is the "right" weight for a 458 Lott without scope, mounts or sling?



The last scope and rings I weighed were 14 oz. Although I prefer the 458 Win Mag over the Lott, either one should weigh 8 lb 2 oz, to come to an even 9 lb with scope. Some people like a heavier rifle, but for me this is just right.

Take care, Tom

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: PAHunter]
      #110907 - 02/08/08 08:14 AM

The .458 lot is basically .450 NE for bolt action rifles. Hence you can shot those Varget NFB and R15 loads with foam wads for a more genteel experience.

I'd start adding R15 one grain at a time until I hit 2150 fps with a 480 grain woodleihg and call it quits.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: bonanza]
      #110908 - 02/08/08 08:21 AM

Hi ovny, I was asking how heavy a rifle should be chambered for the 458 Lott cartridge. I'm thinking about 9.5 lbs without scope, 10.5 lbs with scope, rings and sling. I'm trying to balance the carry weight without creating a rifle who's recoil makes me reluctant to shoot it a bunch which I feel is important if I'm going to use it on dangerous game.

Chuck

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110909 - 02/08/08 09:12 AM

I have a Ruger M77 Magnum which weighs in at 9 3/4 pounds. My "pet load" is 77.3 grains of H335 pushing a 500 grain Swift A-Frame for a velocity of 2150 according to the Hornady Manual. I use Hornady Dangerous Game solids with the same charge, and the point of impact is the same. I find the recoil to be manageable, but stout! For a big bore rifle I think it is what one would expect. It is noticeably more comfortable to shoot than with Hornady Factory loads. I do shoot those too. I have a Leupold VXIII 1.5-5X20 in Warne QD rings on the rifle most of the time. I dont know the weight of the scope and rings, but they can be looked up on their websites I'm sure. I have had a CZ550 American Safari in the lott, and a Savage 116 Safari Magnum in .458 winchester magnum and must say the Lott is a bit more recoil. But its nice to have a rifle capable of firing the lott if the extra power is called for.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110911 - 02/08/08 09:15 AM

Hi Chuck:

More or less I understand you friend, that the border language and all its nuances, I played bad past and above the google translator is very bad.
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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: ovny]
      #110923 - 02/08/08 10:57 AM

Thanks ovny and bigmaxx. I'm reboring my 375 H&H to 470 Capstick and shortening the barrel to 22" which should be about the same recoil as the Lott. The 470 Capstick shoots a 500g bullet at 2400 fps out of a 26" barrel so should be about 2300 fps full bore out of my 22" barrel. I have the same scope as you do bigmaxx with Talley QR rings. My 470 Capstick should weigh in at 9.5 lbs without scope/rings and 10.5 lbs with. I can always add weight if recoil is a bit too much. I'm still a few years away from my first African DG safari, but the rifle should be something on elk, and mule deer here in Colorado until then...



Thanks much,

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110929 - 02/08/08 01:39 PM

Quote:

Thanks ovny and bigmaxx. I'm reboring my 375 H&H to 470 Capstick and shortening the barrel to 22" which should be about the same recoil as the Lott. The 470 Capstick shoots a 500g bullet at 2400 fps out of a 26" barrel so should be about 2300 fps full bore out of my 22" barrel. I have the same scope as you do bigmaxx with Talley QR rings. My 470 Capstick should weigh in at 9.5 lbs without scope/rings and 10.5 lbs with. I can always add weight if recoil is a bit too much. I'm still a few years away from my first African DG safari, but the rifle should be something on elk, and mule deer here in Colorado until then...



Thanks much,

Chuck



Sounds like a real cool transformation. I really like the 500 grain A-Frame at 2150 from the lott. Super accurate too. They shoot real close to point of impact of the factory loads. I can shoot the pet A-Frame load out of the barrel and back my shot with factory solids in the magazine if I want too. I am taking the Lott with these loads to Zimbabwe the 29th of this month to use on buffalo. My first trip to Africa! I let you know how the combo performs. Doing my final loading for the lott this weekend.

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: bigmaxx]
      #110930 - 02/08/08 01:42 PM

Have a great safari! Please let us know all about it. I'll be there in a few years ...


Chuck

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Re: Opinions on .458 Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #110942 - 02/08/08 04:52 PM

I tell you the same as Chuck, you enjoy much of your trip to Africa, then you tell us your experience and get many photos to share with us.

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