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Re: Splinter or Beavertail fore-end? [Re: bigdog]
      #120487 - 06/12/08 08:00 PM

Btw, anyone with a splinter o/u?

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Re: Splinter or Beavertail fore-end? [Re: bigdog]
      #120513 - 07/12/08 05:34 AM

Just like 'Everyone was born right handed, but some of us were able to overcome that handicap and switched to left handed."

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Re: Splinter or Beavertail fore-end? [Re: new_guy]
      #121062 - 13/12/08 09:12 AM

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Me? Splinter all the way on shotguns and rifles. I have been amazed though at how many of my customers want a semi-beavertail. I try and try to explain where the leading hand goes on the barrels, but I've yet to to change any of their minds. They must think I'm crazy for holding on to the barrels when there's a perfectly good wooden forend there!



new_guy,
It's interesting that all these guys are shooting their doubles while holding the beavertail or semi beavertail fore-end wood.
It has been claimed here in this thread, and on other forums, that this can (and does) break the solder joint at the barrel loop on some quality doubles.
Another claim is that the Deeley style of fore-end lever is problomatic.

As most Heym doubles are fitted with both a semi beavertail fore-end and the Deeley release lever system, I'm interested to hear what your experiences have been regarding any problems or breakages relating to the above.
Thanks

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Re: Splinter or Beavertail fore-end? [Re: 4seventy]
      #121651 - 20/12/08 03:50 PM

4sevnty - As you know, forend loops are traditionally soldered directly onto the bottom rib, and in theory can separate from the ribs. Personally, I’ve only seen this happen (first-hand) once, and it was on another brand of rifle.

The forend loop on the HEYM is not assembled this way. I've got a photo somewhere around here, but I'll try to explain it verbally.

The forend loop on the HEYM has an extension (made in the shape of an hour glass) that extends up and between the barrels. The outside contour of the barrels mate with the concave sides of the extension on the loop and create a mechanical lock that prevents the loop from moving.

When you look at the loop on the underside of the barrels, it looks like it is simply soldered to the bottom rib, but hidden underneath is a mechanical lock between the barrels and the extension on the loop.

You could probably use a pair of pliars and break the steel by bending the loop back and forth, but you can not pull it off.

I too have been told that the Deely release is inferior in some way(s). Both personally and professionally speaking, but I've never had a problem with one.

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Re: Splinter or Beavertail fore-end? [Re: new_guy]
      #121652 - 20/12/08 04:17 PM

Here it is.



You can see the bottom half of the hour glass shaped extension here between the barrels.

The same shape is also on the top side of the barrels, and that's the half of the "hour glass" that completes the mechanical lock.

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Re: Splinter or Beavertail fore-end? [Re: new_guy]
      #121655 - 20/12/08 04:27 PM

new guy,
Thanks for that information.
It is good that the Heyms have that type of fitting for the loop as it would certainly make for a stronger system.

I totally agree regarding the reliability of the Deeley lever system.
I have owned several shotguns with that system, including clay target guns with a lot of rounds through them.
I also oun a couple of double rifles with deeley release levers which have done a fair amount of shooting, and I have never had any trouble whatsoever with the system in any of those guns.

Now, can you tell me any more regarding this need to chisel the fore-end wood if the catch somehow locks up with the anson release system?
It has been described in this thread as relating to the "threaded stem" turning out and locking the fore-end to the gun.

I've never heard of this before, plus many Anson fore-ends do not appear to have any "threaded stem".
Thanks for any light you can shed on this one.

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Personally, I suspect that all three are strong enough. But we’re gun nuts and we need things like this to debate around campfires and cocktails, right?



Absolutely!
I couldn't agree more.

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We were posting at the same time.
I just got to see those photos. Thanks for that.
They sure aren't going to fall off in any sort of hurry!

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Re: Splinter or Beavertail fore-end? [Re: 4seventy]
      #121732 - 21/12/08 10:00 AM

4seventy - Here is the threaded rod portion of an Anson forend. This was on a Westley 20 bore that I owned.

Sorry for the poor quality photo.



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Re: Splinter or Beavertail fore-end? [Re: new_guy]
      #121765 - 21/12/08 07:23 PM

new guy,
Thanks for the photo.
Yeah, I'm quite familiar with the Anson fore-end design.

The photo shows the release rod, ( or the tube it is housed in) but in my experience that rod is usually NOT threaded.
There is a rod which is fitted inside a tube with a return spring.
The rod is fitted into a hole in the front of the locking bolt and is held in place by that tiny grub screw that can be seen in the photo.
If you undo that screw a few turns or wind it out fully, this will allow the release rod and spring to be withdrawn.

So I feel the photo shows a release rod, but not a "threaded" rod or "stem".

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