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CJack
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Woodleigh bullets
      #110431 - 26/07/08 06:38 AM

fellow hunters, have a question regarding the 9,3x62 VZ24 shooting the heavy 320 grn. Woodleighs. Is there any actual difference between the 320 PP and the RN in the field? My use would be frontal and/or shoulder shots on interior grizzlies.

The round nose has always sold me for being a more immediate tissue performer than the PP's, penetration being 2nd-hard to figure I know with the sd of .346 of either designs.

The PP are being sold for 48 bucks a box and just wondering if it is picking fly crap out of pepper type thing.

I used successfully the 286 Part. on a 400lb. grizz and with its sd's it never was a problem or question in mind. It being my first ever use of this caliber gives me great joy-don't need a belted magnum of any kind now.

I use many medium bores successfully but this medium big bore if you will is just dandy, wife is now handling the rifle as she was there when I took out the bear. uhoh!

thanks in advance

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CJack
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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: CJack]
      #110463 - 26/07/08 04:18 PM

btt....

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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: CJack]
      #110517 - 27/07/08 10:47 AM


Cjack.

For what it is worth.
In my limited experience with woodleighs on game is that I found that the round nose tend to expand a little quicker than the R.N. but they both penetrate very well and hold together. I have used both on fallow deer, red deer and pigs in 30 calibre and 9.3. Go to the Woodleigh Web sight and check out their info.

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CJack
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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: 450]
      #110539 - 27/07/08 03:16 PM

450,

I am abit surprised really and no fault of your own that the information available is not where I expected. The 9,3 by Otto is a joy not to mention its allure, history etc.... a cartridge with over 100yrs of experience worldwide surely has had kills with the 320 grain.

The website you speak of does not offer much in regards to my question. Heavy does what heavy does certainly.

Not a problem, I will do the Mauser thing and try it out myself soon enough with the 320's, lots of moose and grizz around-hope a bullet finds a big beast worthy of the 9,3x62 and the 320 PP. When I take out a nice bull in the fall generally brings in some bears-we'll see.

thanks,

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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: CJack]
      #110540 - 27/07/08 05:05 PM

Hi CJack,
The PP would be my preferred bullet in a bolt action rifle as the "protected point" feature is designed to prevent bullet tip damage in the magazine from recoil.
The 320gn roundnose is really meant for duplicating the original bullet as was loaded in the .360 No2 NE double rifle cartridge.
Either bullet should perform well at 9.3x62 velocities.
They both use the weldcore system and will open up nicely but also retain a high percentage of weight.

If I was loading Woodlieghs for a 9.3x62, I would opt for the PP rather than the round nose, as the PP design has a better shape ogive for nice feed from magazine to chamber in a bolt gun, plus the lead tip being recessed to prevent bullet nose damage.
Let us know what you decide and how it works for you.

Edited by 4seventy (27/07/08 05:16 PM)

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CJack
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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: 4seventy]
      #110553 - 28/07/08 03:19 AM

4Seventy, very good! I appreciate the noted difference with the design of the 320 RN being used in the 360 Nitro and the PP. Since my Quickload software is being returned in exchange for the Vista version I used the Powley Computer on a website and they off course are using IMR powders, best velocities they give is 2083 fps I believe with either 4831 or 4350. Not a problem with that program but it is not what I have suspected the velocities to be. It is possible to get 2250 fps or there abouts with perhaps RL15? and not exceed 60,000 psi?

I built this rifle up with selected parts of good repute but.......chose not to have the action heat treated. I did on a 1909 Arg. that is going to be a 9,3x64 only because of that particular action. It is a questionable thing mentally to nag on you if lug setback will really occur in a renown strong action like I have understood the VZ24 to be. I will keep my Smith 629 4" strongside-always until I get enough time on it.

thanks again and will keep this thread updated down the road.

best regards,

Edited by CJack (28/07/08 03:24 AM)

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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: CJack]
      #110554 - 28/07/08 04:28 AM


Clark

I did some of the initial testing on the PP's (versus the RN) of the 9.3 Woodleigh's using a 9.3x64 as the gun as it allowed testing of the bullets from sub 9.3x74R velocities all the way up above the 64 velocities (ie pushed as far as it was safe to do so).

I used a German made 9.6x64 on a Mauser98 action.

IMHO, RN open up quicker at the same velocities than PP's.


Weight etc is the same and penetration is partly determine by how much the bullet opens up early on and provides greater frontal surface area.

I am happy with either, the PP designed definately helps in stopping lead tip damage but apart from that, chose what you like.

I like RN as I reckon they hit "harder" but that is a subjective thing.

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CJack
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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: 500Nitro]
      #111676 - 13/08/08 05:43 AM

well, got them bullets zeroed in @ 100yds, fine accuracies. Loaded with 56 grns. of RL15 avg. 2216fps......expect field results to be remarkable as a deep penetrator! Should be able to see daylight from one end to other.

thanks,

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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: CJack]
      #111710 - 13/08/08 11:37 AM

In my Simson Mauser 98 I found the 320gr RN to shoot about 8 to 10 inches below the 286 or 250 gr bullets at 100 meters. I can hunt with the rifle sighted for 250s & 286s but will have to resight it for 320s.

I would be interested in others' experience on comparative point of impact.

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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: Nakihunter]
      #111735 - 13/08/08 02:55 PM

Nhunter, I reviewed my test shots with 250 TSX, 286 Part. and 286 Oryx and find the 320 grn PP's to be 6-7" low from both Partitions Oryx and TSX. I believe, after some serious deliberation to attempt tomorrow in zeroing the 320's with no adjustments @ 50 yds and see what is up.

by the way what are you getting for velocity out of your Mauser?

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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: CJack]
      #111744 - 13/08/08 04:30 PM

I had my best results in 9,3x62 with woodleighs (286 RN) using H-4895, BLC-2 and Bofors RP-2 (Mauser 98, COAL 3,30").
In 9,3x64 Brenneke best loads could be achieved with H-4895 and the slower burning Rottweil-904 (Blaser Rī93, COAL 3,48" ).

Though I never used 320īs woodleighs I had some experience with tubing-jacketed RN-Bullets with 306 grs bullet-weight. Highest achievable velocity in the 9,3x62 (Mauser) with that bullet was a load by 2311 fts, but most of the other loads chronographed into the range of 2240 to 2260 fts category...
The 9,3x64 Brenneke loadings with the 306-grainer chronographed from 2420 - 2475 fts....

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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: CJack]
      #111750 - 13/08/08 06:22 PM

CJack

My Simson M98 has a 24 inch barrel. I get the following velocities with little case expansion & very firm reseating of primers.

250 gr Barnes TSX & Nosler BT - 2580fps with Varget (ADI 2208)
286 gr Lapua Mega RN - 2430fps with Varget
320 gr Woodleigh RN - 2220fps with Varget

I also get similar velocities with ADI 2206 (H4895???)
I have tried Re15 but find it a bit too slow burning in my rifle & do not get the higher velocities that others seem to get. Accuracy has been in the 1 to 1.5 inch range off the bench & using the set triggers. The Nosler BT puts 3 shots into one hole!

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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: Nakihunter]
      #111772 - 14/08/08 02:50 AM

thanks fellas! going to work over the TSX's later, going to head up river, into the mountains tomorrow and keep the Partitions and Woodleighs handy. Will do my pre-season homework for fall moose hunting and pick some blueberries and test samples here and there for gold.

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Con
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Re: Woodleigh bullets [Re: CJack]
      #111774 - 14/08/08 04:18 AM

Interesting observations regarding the heavy Woodleigh's shooting much lower. The 310gr 35cal in a friend's 35Whelen and my 350RemMag are exactly the same, closer to 10" lower at 100m.

Nakihunter,
Regarding Rel-15, if pressures signs in your rifle indicate that its mild loads your using, try adding more and start compressing it. I've corresponded with two guys that found compressing Rel-15 kind of 'woke it up'. Hoping to try it out in my 350RemMag soon, likewise in the 458AccRel where I'm hoping a compressed charge will get me 2400fps with a 500gr Woodleigh.
Cheers...
Con

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