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Rick_R
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How offensive is this fencing?
      #10793 - 03/03/04 03:38 PM

Just to beat a dead horse from a different direction.

How effective is the fencing on most of the properties in South Africa? I've been to Texas and seen some of the game fence they use. I was also cautioned that while I could shoot any exotic that wandered by on the property I was hunting, I might not want to pester some of the larger critters with a mere 30-06 ( ).

I understand that warthogs have the usual piggy disdain for enclosure and Eland can jump high buildings in a single bound. What about all the rest of the fauna native to the area, just how "restrained" are their movements? I'm wondering what kind of traffic to expect in the Limpopo Province in late May.

And do any areas have a "snake proof" fencing, there are some natives I could do without meeting.

Three months till lift off. . .

Rick

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Re: How offensive is this fencing? [Re: Rick_R]
      #10806 - 03/03/04 08:40 PM

OK, it is pretty effective overall but there are a TON of escapees.
-snakeproof? fuhgetaboutit!!
I have seen kudu jump the fence without a running start. Eland can easily do the same.
Warthog/bushpig go under with less trouble than I have getting through turnstyles. Baboons go over too.
It is always assumed that the fence is in perfect condition, often there are holes which aren't found for weeks before being fixed.
I was told that a wildebeest had burst right through the fence recently, then had turned to go home and made a new hole!!!
I know that elephant/rhino will easily do the same unless the fence is electrified.
So on the whole, it is quite disuasive, but don't call it "gameproof" cause it ain't.
Haven't any of you seen those farms that try and keep animals away from the fence with old licence plates? That is for a reason!

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Re: How offensive is this fencing? [Re: Rick_R]
      #10809 - 03/03/04 09:38 PM

Warthog and pigs and bushbuck go under it easily.

Eland if harassed can jump these easily too, probably kudu too.

Leopard would have no problem either (therefore a question of mine earlier about "canned" leopard hunts???? Lion yes, leopard ?


Putting it this way. I have a fallow stag that can easily jump a 8 to 9 foot fence from a standing squat - if pushed. An eland has no problem at all. Again if pushed.

A lot of animals if they run and "bounce" into the fences will also have a chance of getting through.



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Re: How offensive is this fencing? [Re: Rick_R]
      #10814 - 04/03/04 12:16 AM

Very effective:

On a macro and micro management scale the prescribed game fences do exactly what they are supposed to.

There are different classes of fences dependent on the goal and degree of containment needed.

In cases of Lion and cat proof fences the degree of containment is high vs that of a simple cattle fence.

To give you an example:

In almost 30 years we have not lost one single rhino. This with simple 7 ft 6 inch 17 strand game proof fence with 3 pulsed electric strands.

Break outs by a single bull have been a problem but in each instance the break out was known within a 12 hour period and in each instance he was retrieved untill his sale to another farm.

Now escapes and entrances do occur absolutely but on macro level the fences do contain game and if you understand territorial behaviour patterns you will know that the fence is not so much a physical barrier per se but a "training device" that regulates territorial boundries and behaviour.

This regulation of this territorial behaviour has been a subject of considerable debate amongst conervationists.
There is a global tendency to amalgamate properties into large conseravancies and in some instances even our national parks boundries are being extended across international borders.

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Re: How offensive is this fencing? [Re: ALF]
      #10849 - 04/03/04 09:18 AM

Thanks for the overview gents

I guess what I'm really asking is what is liable to wander by that's not on the Safari Company list of shootable game animals?

Rick

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Re: How offensive is this fencing? [Re: Rick_R]
      #10853 - 04/03/04 09:39 AM

Cheetah!

On the South African property I hunted in 2002 we were told we could shoot two cheetah for free if we ever saw them. For photos only, no trophy. They were regarded as a pest by the locals.

They were moving around from property to property and all these properties were game fenced but not electric.

Unfortunately never seen.



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Re: How offensive is this fencing? [Re: Rick_R]
      #10860 - 04/03/04 10:54 AM

I've seen Kudu and Eland easily clear a 6' fence. In addition, besides Warthog going underneath the fences, I've observed Gemsbok and Hartebeest both go under fences as well. The Hartebeest did it so fast that it was impossible to get a shot.

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Re: How offensive is this fencing? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #10887 - 05/03/04 12:43 AM

I know that many game ranches consider warthogs "common property" and don't really mind if you shoot a couple extra. By the way, many cheetahs are persecuted on game ranches and I also had the chance to shoot on sight (northern province, thick bush...cheetah country?!??) but I don't think I would kill one given the chance.
I know that leopards often go from one property to another, and are also killed pretty much on sight.

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Re: How offensive is this fencing? [Re: Boghossian]
      #10929 - 05/03/04 12:07 PM

Just sighting a cat of any kind would make it the perfect experience. Heck, I'd settle for a paw print in the sand

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