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In Africa (or any other place with DG) WHEN are you going to carry the 9.3 ?

This 450 & 9.3 combo gets mentioned alot as "perfect".... but it seems to me like you would always be carrying the 450 and the 9.3 becomes a backup, not to be used unless the 450 dies.

Nice problem to have, but...just wondering.

Your thoughts?

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I took a 9.3mm and a .450 to Africa in 2006. When hunting elephant and buffalo yes I only carried the .450 and left the other in camp.

When hunting plains game in Namibia I used a couple of times the 9.3mm but mainly used the PHs 8x68S. I had wanted to try out that calibre and so it was available for my use.

If carrying both on a hunt, I would use the 9.3mm on preference for any plains game.

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There really isn't much difference in the muzzle energy of a 450/400 and the 9.3x74R. If one could get a 7.5 lb. 450/400 like the flyweight 9.3's, I'm not sure what would be the point of having a 9.3.

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One would then have to be able to shoot it. I'm going to guess the recoil would be in the 500 NE range with a 7.5 lb 400.

Also some people prefer rapier like strikes rather than the heavy blow of the Cutlass.

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There really isn't much difference in the muzzle energy of a 450/400 and the 9.3x74R. If one could get a 7.5 lb. 450/400 like the flyweight 9.3's, I'm not sure what would be the point of having a 9.3.

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One would then have to be able to shoot it. I'm going to guess the recoil would be in the 500 NE range with a 7.5 lb 400.

Also some people prefer rapier like strikes rather than the heavy blow of the Cutlass.

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I agree A 7.5 lb 450/400NE 3" would be a little light for that cartridge, and not what I'd want personally.

Though muzzle energy is part of the equation in being legal for certain game animals. However, it is the combination of muzzle energy and bullet diameter, and Physical make-up of the bullet, along with bullet placement that determines killing power. IMO the killing power of a 450/400NE 3" is far and above the killing power of a 9.3X74R with like type bullets.

That being said, IMO, the 450/400NE 3" in the 9.0-9.5 lbs weight and a 9.3X74R double in the 8.0-8.5 lb weight with a quick detach mounted scope is a fine combination for a two rifle Safari. My combination today is a 9.3X74R double, and a 470NE double, but I'd far rather have a new Heym 88 PH 450/400NE 3" double for the top end of the pair!

Both the 9.3, and the 450/400, in properly weighted rifles, are far easier to shoot well than any of the larger diameter rounds. The 9.3 is not legal for the larger of the big five in all places, but will do the job if the larger rifle is somehow put OTS.

A back-up rifle is not a back-up rifle if it is in the bakki! You carry the larger of the two, and let a tracker carry the lighter one, till needed. Of course, everyone is at liberty to do as it suits them. IMO, there is a lot to reccomend the 450/400NE 3" and the 9.3X74R scoped double as a pair of light, and heavy, unless your main quary is Elephant. In that case then, I have to agree with Will, and would use the 470NE, or my big bore favorite, the 500NE for the top end, but I don't hunt elephant! IMO, most who hunt Africa, will never kill more than one, maybe two ele in a life time, and for this guy the 450/400 is all that is needed on the top end!

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I would love to add a set of scoped 9.3x74R barrels to my Kreighoff 450/400 I just bought in Reno. But at $9K+ with scope (Kreighoff price to add) it takes a big bite out of the hunting budget. I should of went off the deep end and ordered them when I bought it when the wife was giving the go ahead. Guess I 'll have to use my 375 or 300 bolt for a companion piece for awhile.

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LONGFEATHER , at $9K for the barrels, I would simply buy a 9.3X74R double rifle, something like a Chapuis, or Merkel! The complete rifle is far more usefull than an extra set of barrels, as a back-up. If your big rifle goes OTS,in any way other than on the barrels, then the extra set of barrels is OTS as well. With the seperate rifle, a tracker can carry the light rifle, while you carry the heavy. This way, what ever pops out of the weeds you are ready, but if, say, you are tracking a Buffalo, and a world record Kudu pops out of the bush, simply change rifles, and go for it. With the light rifle scoped, you may thread a bullet through holes in the bush, you may not be able to see with the naked eye, even on your buffalo for the first shot. I'd bet with a second set of barrels, they would by miles away in the hunting car when you needed them.

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