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beleg2
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Shooting from the bench do not work for me.
#105110 - 15/05/08 05:35 AM

Hi,
After Redding a post on another forum I decide to try shooting from a rest again this morning.
As I was alone I shoot each barrel to a different target.
I rest the rifle on sand bags holding it with both hands and resting the muddle part (just ahead of the trigger guard) on the bags.
I pull the last left barrel shot.
First three shots from rest are R1, R2 and R3 and L1, L2 and L3.
Them I shot three more times but resting my forward hand on a horizontal rest covered with carpet, so the rifle can recoil free.
As you can see in the pictures shooting from the bench do not work for me.
I’m probably to dump.LOL

Thanks
Martin

PS: Forget to mention this is a Pedersoli Kodiak cal. 58" with 110 gn of FFFg black and 460 R.E.A.L.
PPS: Daryl you were right about express sight they really work.

Edited by beleg2 (15/05/08 05:37 AM)

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: beleg2]
#105111 - 15/05/08 06:06 AM

Dear Martin,

When shooting hunting rifles for accuracy I place a very large wooden block on the bench. With my elbows on the bench and holding the rifle in my hands, I steady my left hand against the block. This allows me to get the best accuracy of which the rifle is capable. My bench rest equipment is used only for lightly-recoiling target rifles.

Take care, Tom

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: beleg2]
#105174 - 15/05/08 08:18 PM

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I rest the rifle on sand bags holding it with both hands and resting the muddle part (just ahead of the trigger guard) on the bags.

You could try just resting the butt and fore-end on the bags rather than pivoting the rifle in the middle. Or get a solid front rest/block of wood and either shoot off that or with your hand between the block and the rifle...

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: beleg2]
#105177 - 15/05/08 08:24 PM

Martin
How far were you from the target--??
and yes agree with Jabalihunter that shooting off a bench normall does not work well with a double...I shoot all my bolts up to .458 off a bench with no problem and get decent groups however not the case with the double..

You may wish to search on this site as recently there was a thread on types of rests used while shooting doubles..

good luck

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: Ripp]
#105216 - 15/05/08 11:31 PM

Thank for your answers.
I allways have problem shooting fron bench, first I used sand bags holding the rifle and resting the back of the forward hand on bags.
Also try shooting resting only elbows and sometimes I get two groups.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....=true#Post87404

I found a post on other forum and try to shoot this way without success as you can see and I want to share my experience with you. I learn alot here!!!!
The rest I used was almost identical to the one it is used by most doublegun maker as Brown in his new book. It is a horizontal branch covered with carpet.

If you consider only 5 of 6 shots (I suspect I pull the sixth), regulation is very good, 2" at 50 meters!!!!!
I just start filing the back sight.
Thanks
Martin

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: beleg2]
#105227 - 16/05/08 01:10 AM

Spot-on, Martin - I find the Express - type sights give me the best sight picture of any open iron sights. Glad you like the sights.

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: beleg2]
#105228 - 16/05/08 01:10 AM

I do not own a double, but I have found many two-piece stocked rifles to be finicky off the bench, including lever guns of all sorts and Lee-Enfields. The same applies to many full-length-bedded, one-piece-stocked rifles where any upward or downward pressure on the forestock is transmitted to the barrel.

Beleg, you can "kill two birds with one stone" by doing your shooting from the sitting position on the ground, with elbows rested on knees. This position is very steady and we actually finish-zero our hunting rifles from this position as even a one-piece-stocked, free-floated barrel rifle often hits a different POI when handheld.

It takes practice if you haven't spent time at it, but in every case I've tried, the strange effects of bench-shooting 2-piece-stocked rifles disappears with this method.

If you have no experience with it, start from 25m with a .22 or 15m with a good air rifle. Grip the rifle very firmly with the support hand. Over time you will feel new muscles used and little by little settle comfortable into the position.

I see many fellows on this Forum seem to zero their doubles on a 50m range, and if that is what you want to do you will find this sitting method to be very easy effective to rough and finish zero your rifle at that range. We shoot 50, 100, 150 and 200 meters to check zero all the way out.

I say "two birds" because one of the advantages of the sitting position is that it is field-useful, unlike the bench rest technique that really is a discipline of its own. Many bench shooting skills are not applicable to field shooting unless you do your hunting from a Hochsitz, etc.

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: 9.3x57]
#105244 - 16/05/08 04:31 AM

Daryl,
I was shoked to find how well I can shoot with express sight.

9ThreexFifty7,
I have plans to try shooting from sitting position but in my club you shot from behind a 3 feet wall. There is only a line thata allows sitting shooting position.

"I have found many two-piece stocked rifles to be finicky off the bench,"
You make me think that that is probably the answer for my underhammer accuracy problems.
I will try some "off bench" shooting.

Thanks
Martin

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: beleg2]
#105267 - 16/05/08 11:05 AM

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9ThreexFifty7,
I have plans to try shooting from sitting position but in my club you shot from behind a 3 feet wall. There is only a line thata allows sitting shooting position.

Martin, will they let you shoot from a platform of sorts?

A light box frame could be made that would allow you to sit and shoot over the wall.

If you have a basement or a backyard where you can shoot an air rifle, that will help a lot.

And, yes, you may find your underhammer shoots consistently and well from sitting even though it tosses odd shots from the bench. Truth is, many rifles are similar.

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: 9.3x57]
#105326 - 17/05/08 01:22 AM

I will try a frame for prone shooting that must work.
Thanks
Martin.

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: beleg2]
#105347 - 17/05/08 06:45 AM

beleg2 A double rifle will never regulate properly if the rifle touches anything other than the shooter's face, hands, and shoulder! The quote below is my answer to a post about a lead-sled, but it explains the reason for the double rifle touching anything other than the shooter, is detramental to regulation!

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The lead-sled is OK for some rifles, but should never be used with a double rifle! This is more detrimental with a side by side than an over under, but it will not give you a proper regulation with either one. A double rifle depends on the recoil arch to regulate properly. A double rifle should never touch anything other that a shooter's shoulder, face, and hands! The double rifle must absolutely be allowed to recoil as if being fired off hand, to work properly. You may rest the rifle on sand bags, but only if your hand is between the bag and the rifle, with the rifle being gripped by the hand. The butt, should not be rested on anything but resting against your shoulder. A good PAST recoil shield is the equipment you need. Even if the sled doesn't break your stock, the rifle will not regulate properly when one is used with a double rifle!

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: DUGABOY1]
#105349 - 17/05/08 07:27 AM

Sorry Dugaboy1, the guys at Holland and Purdey do not regulate hands only, they use a bench !! Where do we go from here

best, Mike

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#105369 - 17/05/08 11:12 AM

Yes but only to rest their elbows on, or elbows and forehand, not to rest the gun on a solid/padded rest.

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#105753 - 21/05/08 01:05 PM

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Sorry Dugaboy1, the guys at Holland and Purdey do not regulate hands only, they use a bench !! Where do we go from here best, Mike

Mike,
They use what is called a “standing rest” this rest is used to help alleviate recoil with the big bore rifles. They do shoot exactly as Dugaboy stated. They don’t let the rifle touch the bench.
Bill

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: Bill_Cooley]
#105760 - 21/05/08 05:21 PM

In the film from chapius they show a rest that appears to have a recoil pad. If so they dont let the rifle recoil free, but its not a H&H or purdey so perhaps they can cheat.

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: 450_366]
#105780 - 21/05/08 10:42 PM

450 366,
This viedo puzzle me too.
I would love to shoot from a benck but it is not working for me.
Thanks
Martin

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Re: Shooting from the bench do not work for me. [Re: beleg2]
#106325 - 30/05/08 04:03 AM

When I shoot from bench for accuracy, I make a rest for my arms, elbows, if I do not hold the rifle with my hands just the way I shoot off the sticks, it changes point of impact. When I shoot off sticks, I rest my hand on sticks, with a double, i never rest any part of the gun.
It works for me

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Bench shooting is working, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! [Re: gei]
#106430 - 01/06/08 09:25 AM

I want to thank you all for

I shoot yesterday using the horizontal carpeted post. Sitting straight, resting only the back of my right hand (Im left handed).

Those are first two RL, the first from clean lubed barrels and sencods without cleaning:

Note: 44mm or 1.73 ".

Shoot two more RL that spread horizontally with some pulled shots.
Then file rear shight a little and try two more RL:

Thanks for all your advises that helps alot.

BTW: Do you know the balistic coefcient of the REAL .58 bullet?

Thanks again
Martin

PD: Im very proud of my rifle.LOL

Edited by beleg2 (02/06/08 05:45 AM)

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