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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: FATBOY404]
      #181229 - 10/05/11 08:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsVHcJTcEw

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: bufallo]
      #181242 - 11/05/11 12:41 AM

Another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly140tZ4-rU

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: NitroX]
      #181244 - 11/05/11 01:03 AM

Impressive.

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: NitroX]
      #181246 - 11/05/11 01:21 AM


Stanley & Livingston 4 bore elephant gun. A National Firearms Museum Treasure Gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_-kEY43irQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMejPK8ZdEo&NR=1



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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: NitroX]
      #181248 - 11/05/11 04:17 AM

One shot forward - three steps back!

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: NitroX]
      #182242 - 23/05/11 10:59 AM

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Stanley & Livingston 4 bore elephant gun. A National Firearms Museum Treasure Gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_-kEY43irQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMejPK8ZdEo&NR=1





I saw this rifle (and LOTS of others)today!!! Impressive to say the least. I'll post pictures when I get home next week. Years ago I saw this rifle for sale (for $250K!) and heard someone subsequently donated it.

If you find yourself in the Washington DC area you should definitely stop by the museum. It's about 10-12 miles from Dulles airport, open 7 days a week, and free. Lots of movie guns, 3 600 nitros, gatlings, etc.

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Edited by Omnivorous_Bob (23/05/11 11:01 AM)

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #182276 - 23/05/11 07:39 PM

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I'll post pictures when I get home next week.



Cool.

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: NitroX]
      #182401 - 24/05/11 10:13 PM

I'll add more in the DR section. A great time!




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Edited by CptCurl (26/05/11 08:53 PM)

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #182415 - 25/05/11 12:37 AM

Bob - what is that rifle below the Leopard, please? It looks like a cross between a Rolling Block and a Ballard. Is what appears to be a hammer, a breech opening lever, or merely a hammer for a long firing pin? Could give a nasty gash to a stock climber.

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: DarylS]
      #182437 - 25/05/11 09:38 AM

Daryl, that is the Belgian 4-bore rifle that Stanley purchased in Zanzibar when he was enroute to look for Livingston. It is massive and looks like an overgrown rolling block. According to one of Stanley's books he dispatched several natives with it who were in hot pursute in canoes. I don't know any details as to weight or bore size.

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #182446 - 25/05/11 11:15 AM

Tks bob - I was thining if the ctg. shown is correct for the gun, it might be an 8 instead judging by the appearance of length to bullet diameter?

Whatever, it's definitely an interesting piece.

Since I didn't see a rear rolling block ahead of the hammer, I figured a sort of Ballard-type action. The screws or pivot pins on the side of the action appear to be in the wrong possition for a rolling block - but stranger things have definitely happened in large bore gun actions which were custom made - back then - sometimes only a few manufactured or saved for posterity.

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #182454 - 25/05/11 03:55 PM

Hey Bob,
Remember Lewis had this gun at one time. I kept the spec sheet on it, if I can find it. He also had another similar gun but of course not owned by Stanley. Where is that gun now? What a great old piece, just look at that recoil heel pad!

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: rigbymauser]
      #182460 - 25/05/11 04:45 PM

Quote:

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You could posted the artical by George Hoyem I mailed to you



I'd love to post the article, if I ever receive it!

Please send it. Thanks.

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #182474 - 25/05/11 05:47 PM

Thanks Bob, I always enjoy your photos.

And love these old historic (or new) bore rifles.

We need more of them today for serious gun nuts.

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: NitroX]
      #182595 - 26/05/11 06:03 PM

Thanks for the complement John. I greatly appreciate the work you do to keep up this site for us like minded guys.

Gatsby, I couldn't find the specs on Stanley's 4-bore from Lewis, but here is the description of the identical one he also had for sale at that time. I don't know who ended up buying it.

MASSIVE BELGIAN
4-bore single-barrel breech-loading rifle, c1870. Wt. 20-1/2 Ibs. 14-1/4" LOP over rubber recoil pad. Superb 26" rifled steel barrel is octagonal at breech, becoming round about half way to the muzzle. 100% reblack finish and bore absolutely mint. Rolling-block action (very similar to Remington rolling-block action is niceIy engraved and has 100% color hardening. Original straight-grip stock and forend have sharp checkering and 100% finish. This fine old rifle comes with about 20 rounds of custom brass arnmo, bullet mold, sizing die, and custom leather cheek pad, which laces on over the butt stock. This behemoth is the same type of 4-bore elephant rifle that H.M. Stanley purchased in Zanzibar for his foirst journey into the African interior in search of Dr. Livingstone and it will generate more muzzle energy than a modern .600 N.E. Take it along and add a whole new dimension to your next safari.



The round in the display case looked like a modern 4" 4-bore cartridge of around 1" diameter, but they had no details as to if that actually fit the gun. I wish there had been something in addidtion to the leopard to give a sense of scale, as it was a BIG gun.

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Edited by CptCurl (26/05/11 08:57 PM)

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
      #192701 - 28/10/11 05:00 PM

A 4-Bore and a 17 HMR. From the atelier of Mr. Hofer.








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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: elvas]
      #205660 - 21/03/12 12:22 PM

how about a few side shots of the 4 bore please?

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: bigdog]
      #205677 - 21/03/12 06:33 PM

Awesome to see this!

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: Ben]
      #205725 - 22/03/12 10:47 AM

Some pictures of the 4 bore.
I will ask to have some more detailed pictures of both guns to post in a few days maybe.






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Edited by CptCurl (25/03/12 10:57 PM)

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: elvas]
      #205727 - 22/03/12 11:13 AM

Looks like the whole .17 rifle would fit inside one if the 4bore barrels.

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: elvas]
      #205754 - 22/03/12 03:24 PM

Impressive rifle's both !

Any one else notice the front sight block on the 4 Bore is over to the right barrel a lot ?

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Re: 4-Bore Elephant [Re: Sarg]
      #206171 - 29/03/12 05:59 PM

Sarg,
It looks so in the photo but actually it is perfectly centered. They wouldn't let a gun leave their shop with the front sight off center for no reason.

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