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Tatume
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Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps?
#103886 - 30/04/08 07:23 AM

Hello Folks,

I'm considering this bullet as a deer bullet in a 375 H&H Ruger #1. Sierra recommends not more than 2200 fps for hunting. Have any of you tried it? If not, I'll have to do some testing myself this summer (probably will anyway). Thanks in anticipation.

Take care, Tom

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: Tatume]
#103891 - 30/04/08 09:46 AM

I would be keen to see how you get on. It might be a good one for my 9.5 Mannlicher-Schoenauer.

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: Tatume]
#103892 - 30/04/08 09:48 AM

Tom, not the 200 Sierra, but one that is close. I have a load that shoots well in my .375 H&H that uses the Hornady 220 FP at 2450 fps, using 5744 powder. An added feature is that it shoots to same POI at 100 meters as my 300 grain full power load. I just bought some Hornady 225 SP's and plan to see how they shoot. Hornady can email you their loads for the 220-225 grain bullets.

I just called Hornady and they told me that the 220 FP should do very well on deer at my velocity, and the 225 is good for around 2300-2900.

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: 9.3x57]
#103898 - 30/04/08 12:41 PM

iI will do some testing of the Sierra 200 in my 9.5X56 R this summer (I hope) also. This will be at the 1800 to 2000 FPS level though. This is the German Cape I posted a month or so ago.
I may also use this as a test in my .375 express rimmed (Martini). I have yet to have time to work any loads. I would rather shoot a 250-255 grain FN cast at the same velocity. Oh, if I could win the lotto and just do what I want!! I guess I would need to by a number though.
I am interested in any test with the Hornady (I like them) or the Sierra. I have had mixed results on actual game with any Sierra. This is limited to .30-30 and .303. Accurate, but came apart on real game.
Deer for the .30-30, and moose for the .303 175 grain. But, this was some years ago.

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: 9.3x57]
#103941 - 01/05/08 12:33 AM

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Tom, not the 200 Sierra, but one that is close. I have a load that shoots well in my .375 H&H that uses the Hornady 220 FP at 2450 fps, using 5744 powder.

That sounds good. I ordered a box of Hornady 220 gr bullets a few minutes ago, and will try them instead of the 200 gr Sierra. The Sierra manual specifically advises against using their bullet at over 2200 fps. Now I have to determine if the Hornady bullet is accurate and if it will expand well at my speeds.

If I have to, I can easily bump up the speed until the bullet expands well, but I specifically want 2500 fps for two reasons. It should give me a +/- 2 inch point blank range of 200 yards, and mild recoil. I’ll let you know what happens.

Take care, Tom

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: Tatume]
#103943 - 01/05/08 01:05 AM

I have tried that bullet at 2900 fps from a 375 H&H - shot 3 deer with it. It's a great bullet to use if you wish to minimize the amount of edible meat on a deer.

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: 500grains]
#103948 - 01/05/08 02:41 AM

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I have tried that bullet at 2900 fps from a 375 H&H - shot 3 deer with it. It's a great bullet to use if you wish to minimize the amount of edible meat on a deer.

: I used the Hornady 220gr. FN at a muzzle velocity of 1,940fps on 2 large Canadian moose. Judging from the expansion I found, I'd think if driven around 2,300fps to perhaps 2,400fps, it'd be an OK deer bullet in the H&H for deer, or in smaller .375 cal. cases. I would prefer the newer 225gr. SP instead, for a Deer. black bear bullet for extended ranges. The jacket on the 225gr. is quite thick and might not open up too much as I suspect the rimmed .375 Winchester-type bullets might.
: Swaged to .367", they'd also make good smaller big game bullets for the various 9.3's. I've found the 225's to be very accurate in my 9.3x57 at 2,550fps.

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: DarylS]
#104053 - 02/05/08 04:39 AM

I use the Hornady 225gr SP with 68grs of H-4895 for 2600 fps. Very mild recoil, fantastic accuracy and good bullet performance. Great plinker-deer load.

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: 600JDJ]
#104134 - 03/05/08 12:56 AM

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I have a load that shoots well in my .375 H&H that uses the Hornady 220 FP at 2450 fps, using 5744 powder.

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I use the Hornady 225gr SP with 68grs of H-4895 for 2600 fps.

Thanks for the information. I found both of these loads in the Hornady manual. I'll start with 4895 and see where that takes me. It'll be nice to have a mild 375 H&H load for deer and hogs. Like the other big bores I hunt with, I expect meat damage to be near zero.

Take care, Tom

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: Tatume]
#104136 - 03/05/08 01:38 AM

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Like the other big bores I hunt with, I expect meat damage to be near zero.

Take care, Tom

Tom:

As mentioned by Daryl, the 225 Horn is stouter constructed than the 220 Horn or 200 Sierra. I am not certain that meat damage will be much different from a .270, and probably worse, if the velocity of the Sierra 200 or Hornaday 220 is 2400+. The 225 looks better for the higher velocities.

I used the 235 Speer on some deer years ago and at 2800 it was ruined a lot of meat. I asked the Speer tech if changes were made to that bullet over the years since others have mentioned excellent results and deep penetration on elk. The speer tech said that the technical spec's have changed to the bullet, but since most occured years ago, the data is not easily retrieved. Needless to say, it appears that bullet, core and jacket construction were beefed up.

I plan to work with the 225 some and will post penetration tests here.

For some testing of the 220 Hornady, see here:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=1253

The 220 appears like it would be a real killer on deer at 2450 fps, but may not give the "eatin' right up to the hole" performance some heavy-bullet, full-power loads give.

When both are shot into my test media, I will be interested to see what a full power 225 Horny looks like, compared to the same bullet shot at 2450 fps. A "controlled expansion" level of performance of the 225 Hornady in the .375 H&H when shot at 2450 fps may just be a perfect match for our elk and deer here in my country, giving good 250+ yard trajectory and terminal performance with .30-06 recoil. This 225 Hornady looks promising.

Having said all that, the Hornady tech says expansion is estimated at a low of around 2300 fps, so maybe my 2450 load is pushing it for outer-range expansion performance on deer. Won't know till I test.

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: 9.3x57]
#106104 - 26/05/08 12:52 PM

I think the most important thing is to shoot it in your rifle and see if it will group. My Kimber doesn’t like light bullets. 4-5 in groups at 50 yards. The 300 gr Sierra Game King is one raged hole. I plan on boosting the speed and see if that helps. The load I tried was225 gr Horanady at 2379 average
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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: Bill_Cooley]
#106109 - 26/05/08 01:04 PM

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I think the most important thing is to shoot it in your rifle and see if it will group. My Kimber doesn’t like light bullets. 4-5 in groups at 50 yards. The 300 gr Sierra Game King is one raged hole. I plan on boosting the speed and see if that helps. The load I tried was225 gr Horanady at 2379 average
Bill

Bill, say that again...

4-5 inch groups at 50 yards?

What powder?

What rifle?

If you want a download, I am having excellent success with AA5744 with the 220 Horn FP. It also has same POI as 300 grain Hornady RN at 100 meters. Both start out at 2450 fps.

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: 9.3x57]
#106145 - 27/05/08 01:59 AM

I'm planning on using either my 350g Woodleigh Weldcore soft points at 2400 fps or 250g Swift A-Frames at 2800 fps on deer. I don't expect them to run far ...

Chuck

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: chuck375]
#106149 - 27/05/08 03:21 AM

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I'm planning on using either my 350g Woodleigh Weldcore soft points at 2400 fps or 250g Swift A-Frames at 2800 fps on deer. I don't expect them to run far ...

Chuck

My experience of the years of hunting I did with the .375 is that on deer, it possessed no dramatic advantage over many lighter calibers except possibly on the rear end shot. I used 300 Hornady bullets almost exclusively, and they open pretty quickly compared to some others.

The modern bullets you describe open fairly well but I will be interested to see what you think about the 300's and 350's on deer, vs, say, a .270, .30-06 or many other calibers. Stoutly constructed .375's may even allow slightly more runners on broadside lung shots on deer if the bullets do not open quickly enough or the range is long enough to allow the bullets to slow down a bit.

In general, on deer, I cannot tell you I ever saw any big advantage of the .375 over many lighter calibers. Finn Aagaard said similarly about the .375 on antelope of deer or somewhat bigger size, and others I've read over the years have agreed. On much heavier game, the .375 provides a certain edge in bonebreaking, depending of course on bullet used.

Some might take issue with this statement, but that is my experience. One thing I should add is that I do not think the .375 is a DIS-advantage on deer. It is a great caliber.

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: 9.3x57]
#106151 - 27/05/08 03:41 AM

Hi 9ThreeFifty7, I don't expect it to kill any better on deer or elk or even as well as my 270. However it's now my son Eric's 270 and Dad's pride doesn't allow him to ask his son if he can borrow his rifle lol. Also I want to get proficient with the 375 and the best way in my opinion is to shoot it and hunt with it as my only rifle. I'm thinking the 250g Swifts at 2700 fps are a better choice for deer, elk and the black bears of the region.

Regards as always,

Chuck

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Re: Sierra 200 gr 375 bullet at 2500 fps? [Re: chuck375]
#106152 - 27/05/08 04:57 AM

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Hi 9ThreeFifty7, I don't expect it to kill any better on deer or elk or even as well as my 270. However it's now my son Eric's 270 and Dad's pride doesn't allow him to ask his son if he can borrow his rifle lol. Also I want to get proficient with the 375 and the best way in my opinion is to shoot it and hunt with it as my only rifle. I'm thinking the 250g Swifts at 2700 fps are a better choice for deer, elk and the black bears of the region.

Regards as always,

Chuck

Gotcha! PLEASE report your results!

I have no experience with it but the 250 sounds like an excellent bullet for all-round Lower 48 hunting with the .375.

I think a really handy combination would be to get a 200-225 light bullet at 2300-2500 fps to print dead on at 100, and a 250 at full throttle velocities to print a couple inches or so higher. A 220 at 2400 fps is a very easy shooting round and plenty deadly for whitetails while the fullspeed 250 would be good for anything we have to offer.

Now you got me curious as to the .375 again...

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