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Ripp
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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: EricD]
      #104079 - 02/05/08 11:35 AM

As to my own rifles or someone else-based on the money invested in the hunt there is no way in hell I would use someone else's...that's what they have insurance for...

Ripp

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: Ripp]
      #104089 - 02/05/08 12:51 PM

Ripp,

The best of luck to you on your upcoming hunt. Be sure to post pics.

albertan

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: albertan]
      #104104 - 02/05/08 06:24 PM

I'd only consider borrowing rifles if I knew both owner and rifle personally. Everytime I have borrowed a rifle I inevitably find that there is not time to check the sights and I end up looking like a muppet when I miss! Definitely preferable to have your own - if its an above average risk then don't take a rare gun that you can't easily replace even with insurance money.

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: poprivit]
      #105428 - 18/05/08 06:44 AM

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JPK - my post might have been "unresponsive and unhelpful" and that I'm a "naysayer and shitslinger" But I don't know you well enough to insult you back, but I will tell you that you might have had a slightly different opinion if you were standing with me when the clutch broke on the hunting rig 240 km from Bulawayo. It was getting dark and the locals were coming out of the bush in increasing numbers. This was the third time the truck had broken down on the trip from South Africa to Zim.

Or, you might have had a different opinion when your $12,500 hunt for a Cape Buffalo went totally south and the trophy was stolen and I got nothing.

Oh yeah, I AM Irish and I CAN tell you where to go, outline your itinerary, tell you to dress for heat and enjoy your stay for all eternity. Just don't go runnin' your mouth about someone else's experiences.

And you do need to train your instinct a little better!



Like I said, you're a naysayer and shitslinger. You booked with the wrong outfit, more than clearly indicated by the fact that you drove up from South Africa. Further indicated by the state of the PH's vehicle, confirmed yet again by the failure of the operator to send a replacement vehicle.

The stories of troubles with South African outfitters and PH's hunting illegally in Zimbabwe are legion, you should have known better and would have with just a bit of homework.

Likely your trophies weren't stolen, rather the trophy fees you paid were not forwarded to Zim, a common problem with those South African operators and PH's who hunt in Zim illegally, so no export paperwark could ever be processed. Good chance you hunted on stolen land too, which if you are a US citizen or resident, is in violation of US law.

I've just returned from Zim this morming. There remains no reason to postpone or cancel a hunt. Economic activity is up from my last trip, Parks and Wildlife vehicles were in better shape, with fuel, and anti-poaching patrols were more common.

Every official from imigration to customs to police to Parks and Wildlife officers and game scouta were freindly and corteous. Police roadblocks were no more common than in the past and police were courteous and businesslike at the few poadblocks where we had to stop, mostly we were simply waived through.

All bemoan the political situation and all want Mugabe gone, this feeling is widespread and openly expressed, which is a change from my experience in the past.

BTW, not to tarnish the Sotuh African outfitters who hunt legally in Zim. It is possible for them to hunt legally, but a liscensed Zim PH is required and gov't trophy fees need to be paid over to Parks and Wildlife in US$'s.

JPK

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: JPK]
      #105541 - 19/05/08 07:29 AM

Thats fantastic news. I feel very comfortable with Roger Whittall Safaris. I have heard alot of naysaying and shitslinging since I started planning an African Safari, however I have yet to hear anything but praise for Roger Whittall. I have a promo DVD and I have seen the Angwe Camp on Safari Hunters Journal a couple of times and it looks great. I am still collecting equiptment and fine tuning rifles. I can't wait to hear details of your hunt and hopefully pics. God Bless and thanks for all your help!

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: bigmaxx]
      #105554 - 19/05/08 09:51 AM

Bigmaxx,

I am sorry to say that the Angwe camp is gone. But don't fret, you will be stating at one of two camps that are very nice, nicer than the Angwe camp but unfortunately without the fantastic view.

Roger for twenty years owned the concession rights to Chewore South with two other firms, Western Safaris - the Rosenfelts - and Makore Safaris -the Duckworths. Unfortunately, they lost the bidding for the area last year. Chifuti Safaris is now the concession owner and they recently tore down the Angwe camp to replace it with a tented camp, not yet in place. They have retained one or both of the Western Safaris or Makore Safaris camps. Roger has bought quota from Chifuti Safaris for this year for your hunt and others.

Do you know who your PH will be yet? I hunted with Rich Tabor who hunts for Roger often and had dinner or drinks with Peter Wood and Tierry LaBatt, who often hunt for Roger as well. All good guys and good hunters too, and they all know Chewore South very well.

JPK

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: JPK]
      #105568 - 19/05/08 12:17 PM

I had heard that from Don Crane at Safari Outfitters. I need to talk to him this week. I will see if he can tell me who the PH will be. Have you posted any pics of your hunt yet? Can't wait. Thanks!

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: JPK]
      #105601 - 19/05/08 07:56 PM

JPK

Too my knowledge--there is good elephant hunting in that area--will be able to tell you more in a few weeks-- booked for a bull elephant and 2 tuskless cows there in 2010...I am here in Zim right now--have an afternoon layover at the motel before I head out..so checking my email..etc.

See ya in a few weeks


Ripp.

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: poprivit]
      #105607 - 19/05/08 08:55 PM

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but I will tell you that you might have had a slightly different opinion if you were standing with me when the clutch broke on the hunting rig 240 km from Bulawayo. It was getting dark and the locals were coming out of the bush in increasing numbers.



Poprivit,

Just out of curiosity, for what reason did you feel threatened by the locals? Did they act hostile? Or where they mostly curious, crowding around to watch the only entertaining thing going on nearby that evening, and were therefor annoying or getting in the way when you were fixing the vehicle?

Erik

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: Ripp]
      #105622 - 20/05/08 12:28 AM

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JPK

Too my knowledge--there is good elephant hunting in that area--will be able to tell you more in a few weeks-- booked for a bull elephant and 2 tuskless cows there in 2010...I am here in Zim right now--have an afternoon layover at the motel before I head out..so checking my email..etc.

See ya in a few weeks


Ripp.




Good luck, Be safe, and God bless. -Max

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: bigmaxx]
      #107161 - 10/06/08 07:37 PM

BigMax

After having just hunted that area--a few things I come away with--one, you will love the area..it is very wild and untamed..perfect..

Another is if I went back, quite frankly, I would not take a second gun smaller that a .375 H&H..the reason I say this is the 375 will give you plenty of range you will need in that area..and you never know what you will bump into..we constantly bumped into elephant..let alone, lions on a regular basis..

On the one morning walking into the hyena blind..the 300 I was carrying with 200 gr bullets seem quite small compared to the cow elephant that had just charged us in the dark at about 10 yards..

IMHO, most PH's want you to bring a lighter gun because they feel you will shoot it better..and in 90% of the cases that is probably true..plus you should always follow the recommendations of your PH..But, when I go..my light gun will probably be with a .375 ...

While I was there, 2 tuskless were shot by PH's in self defense...in Chewore North and South..

If you do take the '06 or 338--load the heavier bullets..period...

Ripp

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: EricD]
      #108395 - 28/06/08 02:55 PM

Thanks for all the help!

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: EricD]
      #108859 - 03/07/08 10:16 PM

I will definately take my rifles, .458 lott and .375 ruger. I think the overlap will be a good insurance policy. If they dont make it I will just have to improvise. Thanks for all the help folks.

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Re: second rifle for zimbabwe... [Re: bigmaxx]
      #108875 - 04/07/08 01:19 AM

BEST of luck to you---can't wait to see the pics...

Ripp

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